From: military-radio-guy Full-Name: Dennis R Starks To: military radio collectors#3 Fcc: Sent Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:51:00 Subject: MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Oct.30/98 Message-ID: <19981030.034957.10943.5.military-radio-guy@juno.com> X-Status: Sent X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Oct.30/98 Index: ANNOUNCEMENTS; PRR-9 Group Project? CONDENSED PRC RADIO DATA; Part VI, PRC-508 > PRC-1012. by Dennis Starks ON THE COMMERCIAL FRONT; PRC-75's, HUMOR; *********************************************** ANNOUNCEMENTS; PRR-9 Group Project? We have a chance to buy 100 PRR-9 portable receivers for $500,(that's $5.00ea). These radios are described as being in good condition, include antennas, and most are on 51mc. For that kind of money ya can't even buy the xtals. Even if you already have a couple, they could serve to make LS-549 speakers for your other PRC's. Several other imaginative projects are also possible. If your interested let me know and how many you'd like(don't worry about being greedy, you can have as many as you want!) If we can produce homes for 100 of them(or more) we'll go for it. Dennis *********************************************** CONDENSED PRC RADIO DATA; Part VI, PRC-508 > PRC-1012. by Dennis Starks CPRC-508/RT-5008;Canadian backpack VHF,FM transceiver.This radio is nearly identical to the US PRC-8A,with only very minor cosmetic & mechanical deferences.It can use either US or Canadian accessories including internal modules,handset,antennas etc. Additionally it could be supplied with a solid state inverter that clipped between the radio & a standard battery box that allowed operation from self contained 12vdc batteries. Ref.#13,#26 CPRC-509/RT-5009;Identical to CPRC-508 except for frequency range.Similar to US PRC-9A. Ref.#13,#26 CPRC-510/RT-5010;Identical to CPRC-508 except for frequency range.Similar to US PRC-10A.Ref.#13,#26 PRC-512(RT-5113); Hand held VHF/FM Transceiver. This is the new Canadian Forces Low-Profile Secure Radio which is also labeled Light Assault Hand-held Radio(LAHR). This radio has been designed under the Tactical Command, Control and Communications System/Integrated Radio Intercommunication System (TCCCS/IRIS) by Computing Devices Canada(CDC) with technology supplied by Racal Radio. Ops 30-87.9875mc in 12.5kc steps. RF power output is a selectable .5 or 2 watts. Range 500m(short antenna), or 3km(long antenna). Requires 10dvc nominal. Accessories include: H-5034/U Handset(NSN 5965-99-0125), AS-5218 short rubber ducky type antenna(NSN 5985-01-368-5199). AS-5218 long antenna(NSN 5985-99-555-0124). BB-521 nickel cadmium battery (NSN 6140-21-911-6032). PP-5417 battery charger-analyzer (NSN 6130-21-912- 9120) which includes MT-5321/G battery tray(NSN 6130-21-912-9102), interconnect cable(NSN 6130-21-912-9103), and AC power cable (NSN 6130-21-913-0602). Fill Cable Crypto (NSN 5995-21-913-4874). Cloning Cable (NSN 5995-01-431-2292). Carry pouch with belt and shoulder straps. Production began in 1994 Calgary Canada under contract no. 4484 and units are in use by the Canadian DND. NSN 5820-21-911-5982. PRC-515(RT-5047/URC);Back-pack HF,USB/LSB/AME/CW transceiver.Designed & built by Collins of Canada,the PRC-515 is also built by Collins International in the U.S. & is in use(in some form) at least by the US Army. In addition these radios were built & used in the former Yugoslavia & possibly other countries. Ops 2-30mc in 100cps steps,for a possible 280,000 channels.RF power output is rated 20 watts.Requires 20-32vdc supplied by 1.5ahr rechargeable batteries or vehicular source.Weight is 22lbs while in its backpack role with all accessories. Known options,variations,& accessories include 549A-2 20 watt backpack PA/coupler,548S-1 100 watt station PA & coupler,541C-1 150 watt man-pack,vehicular,or fixed station PA/coupler,548T-1 400 watt PA,490T-2A coupler(400 watt station),718U-5 100 watt portable PA. 671V-6 receiver-exiter unit,updates existing PRC-515 & GRC-220 equipments for split-frequency operation,with the addition of dual frequency controls. 719D-2 is a 20 watt backpack combination of the 671V-2 receiver exiter,377L-2control,& the 549A-2 20 watt PA/coupler,(this may be the Collins designation for a PRC-515). 719D-15 is a 150 watt man-pack station that combines the 671V-2 receiver-exiter unit,377L-2 control unit,549C-1 power amplifier/ coupler(150 watt),963A-2 RT pack-frame,963A-3 acc & batt pack frame,BB-451 battery & AS-1320 whip antenna(PRC-47),vehicular installation is effected with the 998W-1 power conditioner,& various mounting trays. HF-125 is a 150 watt fixed station installation that is based on the 719D-15,it combines those accessories with an AC/DC power supply. VC-120(GRC-220),is a 150 watt vehicular set that combines the equipment of a 719D-15 with the appropriate mounting trays,antenna & power conditioner. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-547;Non-US,back-pack HF,USB/LSB/CW,ECCOM transceiver.Built in Italy by IRET,the PRC-547 is designed for use in electronic warfare environments,using pseudo-random code generated frequency hopping. Ops 1.6-30mc in 100cps steps for a possible 284,000 channels.RF power output is a selectable 4 or 20 watts.Requires 13.6vdc,at less than 200ma(standby ?).Size 80mmH x 300mmW x 240mmD,7kg(with battery). Ref.#12 PRC-549;Portable VHF,FM transceiver.Built in Italy by IRET,the PRC-549 seems to be a non-tactical radio for Military police & security service,or for Marine band use by Coast Guard or Naval units.It appears to be useable as a pack set or in a simi-fixed/mobile role. Ops 148-174mc(any 1mc segment)with eight xtal control channels.RF power output is rated at 10 watts or greater.Audio output is 1 watt(as a mobile),or 500mw(as a portable).Requires 11-16vdc,2 amps(trans), 50ma(rec,2/3 with battery save) as supplied by 9ea 1.5v dry cell or nicad batteries,or vehicle source.Size 140mmH x 202mmW x 80mmD,3.3kg (with battery pack). Ref.#10 BE/PRC-600/06;Nato designation for a Belgian made combination Back-pack vehicular set.See PRC-610. Ref.#12 PRC-601;Handheld,VHF,FM transceiver.The PRC-601 is a ultra-small tactical radio intended for use by combat personnel in small platoon or squad sized units. Special models are available to meet other tactical needs (see PRC-602,PRC-601S,& PRC-602S). Ops 47-57mc(optionally any 10mc segment of 30-80mc),with 25kc chan- nel spacing for a possible 401 channels.Six preset xtal control channel capacity.RF power output is rated 1 watt.Requires 10-14vdc as supplied by lithium or rechargeable nicad batteries(these appear to be the same as those used in the PRC-90).Size 6 11/16"H x 3 5/16"W x 1 11/16"D,1.9lbs,2.5lbs(with battery). Built in Israel by Tadiran,& the US by GTE.The PRC-601 interred service with the Israeli Army in 1976 as a replacement for the US PRC- 6,with an original cost of approx $1000.00. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-601S;The PRC-601S is identical to the PRC-601,except that it has been developed specifically for use by Naval frogmen & commandos.As such,it can be transported under water with no protective case,depths of 45mtrs or more require only plugs to protect the earphone & micro- phone.With the operators head & shoulders above water,a range of 9 miles is said to easily be acheived.For more information,see PRC-601. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-602;The PRC-602 is identical to the PRC-601,with the exception it is supplied to cover the frequency range of 70-80mc.For more information see PRC-601. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-602S;The PRC-602S is identical to the PRC-602,& the PRC-601.Except for those deferences noted for the PRC-601S.For technical specifications, see PRC-601,& PRC-602.For Special use,see PRC-601S. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-610;Non-US.Back-pack or vehicular HF,LSB/USB/AM/CW transceiver.Built in Belgium by S A MBLE,development began in 1974 as a replacement for the BDR-500 series of equipment. The RT-600 is the heart of a multi-use communications system.When combined with various accessory equipment it can be used as a back- pack set(PRC-610),vehicular installation at 20 or 100 watts(VRC-610,& VRC-620 respective),& a 100 watt ground station(GRC-620).The VRC-620 & GRC-620 use the AM-620(combination 100 watt amplifier/antenna coupler/mount),it is mounted external to the vehicle or installation. Ops 1.6-30mc in 100cps steps for a possible 284,000 channels.RF power output is a selectable 5 or 20 watts.Requires 15vdc(2.5w rec,45w trans).Size 252mmH x 365mmW x 82.5mmD,150mmH x 34mmW x 82.5mmD(control box),4.5kg(less battery & acc.),8kg(fully operational). Known accessories include the AM-620,TS-600 field test set,RF-601 vehicular antenna coupler/mount(20 watt installations),CS-634 low power vehicular control/power supply,TC-600 3km remote control,RA-630 100 watt PA/coupler(combination of the AM-630 amplifier),RA-631 100 watt PA/coupler(can be separated into two sections,up to 20mtrs,for ease of installation). Nato designations for the above equipment include BE/PRC-611(PRC- 610), BE/VRC-621(VRC-620), BE/VRC-671(VRC-610), BE/VRC-673/06(GRC-620), & BE/PRC-600/06(combination manpack/20watt vehicular). Ref.#10,#11,#12 BE/PRC-611;This is the Nato designation for the Belgian PRC-610.For more information see PRC-610.Ref.#12 PRC-613;Handheld VHF,FM transceiver.Built in Israel by Tadiran,the PRC-613 is basically an improved version of the PRC-601 family,with the same operational purpose. Ops 36-53mc on any frequency with 25kc spacing.RF power output is 1 watt minimum.Requires 10-14vdc 70ma(rec.squelched),90ma(rec,operating) ,285ma(transmit).Size 8 3/9"H x 3 5/16"W x 1 11/16"D,3.5lbs(with battery). The PRC-613 & 614 interred service with the Israeli army in 1979,it is unknown whether it shares the same US/Israeli background as it's predecessors,the PRC-601 family. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-614;The PRC-614 is identical to the PRC-613 except for a frequency range of 53-76mc.For more information see PRC-613. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-638;Non-US,Back-pack VHF,FM transceiver.The PRC-638 is built in Italy by IRET,& is intended to perform a similar role as the US PRC-77.It can be combined with various ancillary equipment to provide backpack, vehicular,or simi-fixed station operation. Ops 30-76mc in 25kc steps for a possible 1840 channels.RF power output is a selectable 4 watts high(optional 2 watts),or 100mw low. Requires 11vdc(100ma max rec),1.5amps(trans high),400ma(trans low) as supplied by nicad batteries or vehicular accessories.Size 202mmH x 140mmW x 80mD(with 4ahr battery),3.5kg(with battery pack). Known accessories include PAL-30 30 watt vehicular RF power amplifier(VRQ-109),CU-14 vehicular antenna tuner,CV-3TA optional vehicular antenna tuner,2.75 mtr vehicular antenna,PU-66 24vdc fixed station power supply,PU-64 12vdc fixed station power supply. Ref.#10,#11,#12,#26,#31 PRC-660T/RT-6241T;Non-US,Back-pack UHF,AM transceiver.Built in Israel by Tadiran,the PRC-660 is intended to perform a similar role as the PRC- 41 & PRC-66,in ground to air front line combat communications. Ops 225-399.975mc with an RF output of 1.7 watts minimum.Requires 23-38vvdc(vehicular role ?).Size 3 15/16"H x 11"W x 11"D,13lbs 3oz,17lbs 9oz(with battery). Known accessories & configurations include. PRC-660T; CY-2562T battery box,AT-6600T portable antenna,H-189 or equivalent handset,BA-4660T magnesium battery(optional nicad types available). RM/VRC-240T;(ground station service) AM-2411T 16 watt amplifier with loud speaker,ICY-240T rack mount adapter(includes PS-2400T AC/DC power supply. VRC-249T; (vehicular installation) same as RM/VRC-240T with a MT- 1029 mount substituted for the ICY-240T,& the addition of a C-2410T remote control. Ref.#10,#11,#12 PRC-660UV;Non-US,Back-pack VHF/UHF,AM transceiver.Built in Israel by Tadiran,the dual band PRC-660UV was introduced in 1984 as a replacement for the single band PRC-660T.The VHF aircraft band has been included for those that require communications with civil aviation. Ops 116-156mc with 1600 channels(optional 800),225-400mc with 7000 channels(optional 3500).All other parameters are the same as the PRC- 660T. Ref.#12 PRC-677;Non-US,Back-pack VHF,FM,transceiver.Built in Italy by IRET beginning in 1984,the PRC-677 is almost identical to the PRC-638,& seems to be an updated version of that radio. The PRC-677 is micro-processor based,& operable via remote control. Secure voice mode can be provided by the SV3 external unit,& rebroadcast abilities are included.All other parameters are the same as those for the PRC-638. Ref.#12 PRC-677A;This radio seems to be the same as the PRC-638 & PRC-677,except that it has the provisions for Ten channel preset operation,& data transmission. Ref.#12 PRC-730;Non-US,Back-pack,VHF,FM,frequency hopping transceiver.The PRC-730 number may be the result of a type error,in Ref.#12.The actual number may be PRC-370.Built in Israel by Tadiran,this radio is part of their CNR-900 series of equipment. Ops 30-89.975mc in 25k steps for a possible 2,320 channels.RF output power is a selectable 4 watts or 250mw(50 watts in high power vehic- ular role).Requires 12,9-14,or 24vdc dependant on the installation. Size 85mmH x 240mmW x 310mmD,7.5kg(8kg with ECCOM).Ref.#12 PRC-738;Non-US,back-pack,VHF,FN,ECCOM transceiver.Built in Italy by IRET, the PRC-738 is designed for operation in electronic warfare enviro- nments.It is possible that this is a modification of to provide ECCOM capabilities in an existing radio("ECCOM capability added in 1984"). Ops 30-90mc in 25kc steps for a possible 2400 channels.RF power output is a selectable .3 or 5 watts.Requires 10-15vdc as supplied by rechargeable nicad batteries.Size 206mmH x 84mmW x 250mmD,5kg(with battery). Accessories all seem to be compatible with the earlier PRC-638/677 types. .Ref.#12 PRC-777;Non-US,Portable VHF,FM transceiver.Built in Italy by Bero Divisione Elettronica,the PRC-777 family of equipment seem to be a very simple & low-cost alternative for combat,police,naval,support personel,& various other applications.They are very similar in design & appear- ance to other radios of this type,also of Italian origin(PRC-439, NA250).Because of their extreme similarities descriptions of these will be included here. NA21b/c,ops 156-174mc.PRC-777A ops 68-78mc.PRC-777B ops 78-88mc.PRC- 777C ops 115-137mc(AM ?).NA21S ops 156-174mc,with an added internal secure-voice feature.NA-250 series are available covering optional bands from 30-90mc,or 100-180mc,with a selectable output of 1 or 25 watts,& an optional 12 channel capacity,(F) models for mobile or fixed station use,& (R) models for portable operation. Known accessories include a canvas carry bag,provided with a shoulder strap,& pocket for ancillary equipment.Various antenna types including short rubber helical,& steel tape.Speaker/mic or handsets. Several battery charger,& fixed station power supplies. This family of equipment is also very similar to the PRC-439(see separate listing). Ref.#11,#12 PRC-803/RT-8004;Hand held, UHF, AM transceiver. Known to be in use by the Royal Australian Air Force. This radio is believed to be of the Downed Airman's Emergency type and possibly of commercial origin. It has also been associated with air base ground control and security operations. Encountered examples have been painted industrial yellow and were provided with the following frequencies installed: 257.8 (MTAF), 246.6 (Surface Movement Control) and 259.8 (After Hours Emergency). Known features include cast aluminum cabinet construction, four channel capacity, and the use of a Rubber Duckie type antenna. Order number 5820-66-091'8143' 'RAAF', no further information. Ref.#31 PRC-838;Non-US,Back-pack,VHF,FM/MCW transceiver.Built in Italy by IRET,the PRC-838 is a front line combat radio that can be combine with various ancillary equipment to provide backpack,vehicular or fixed station operation. Ops 30-75.9mc in 25kc steps for a possible 1840 channels.RF power output is a selectable 20 watts(high),2.5 watts(medium),& 300mw(low). Requires 6 amps maximum transmit,110ma average receive.Size 84mmH x 206mmW x 300mmD,6.6kg(with battery & pack frame). Ref.#12 PRC-911/GY;Non-US,back-pack HF,LSB/USB/AM/CW transceiver.Built in Germany by Telemit following a private development program,the PRC-911 was introduced in 1979.Cosmeticaly it is almost identical to US sets built by Southcom,and internal design also favors this manufacturer! Ops 1.5-30mc in 100cps steps for a possible 285,000 channels.RF power output is rated 20 watts(SSB),10 watts(CW),5 watts(AM).Size 10.8cmH x 28.9cmW x 36.6cmD,6kg(less batteries).Requires 12vdc,450ma rec,1 amp trans. Ref.#10,#11 PRC-921/GY;Non-US,back-pack HF,USB/LSB/CW/FSK/DATA,ECCOM transceiver.Built in Germany by Siemens,& under license in Indonesia(for domestic use). The PRC-921 is part of their CHX200 family of HF ECCOM frequency hopping equipment,& has been in production since 1981. Ops 1.3-30mc(all modes transceive),10kc-30mc(receive),in 100cps steps.Dependant on the system RF power levels range from 100-1000 atts.Additional operational & physical characteristics are available but difficult to assign to the appropriate equipment. Known accessories & major items include PA-400 power amplifier,ATU- 400 antenna tuning unit,PA/ATU-100 power amplifier/antenna tuner,CPH- 200 receiver/exciter with communications processor,CHX250 1000 watt station,CHX240 400 watt station,CHX210 100 watt station. Ref.#12 BE/PRC-1012;Non-US,back-pack,HF,USB/CW/AM transceiver.Designed & built in Belgium by MBLE as the BDR-500 series,PRC-1012 is the Nato designation for that equipment.As such,the following material is compiled from descriptions of the Belgian BDR-510,& BDR-550. The PRC-1012 is similar in design,technology,& purpose to the US PRC-74.It's design to final product period,lags that of the PRC-74 by about 5 years.Though it does incorporate some features & accessories that are improvements,& allow more flexibility. Two versions of the BDR-500 series are known,the first(BDR-510)ops 2-12mc,in 1kc steps with an RF power output of 10 watts.The later improved BDR-550 ops 2-18mc,in 100cps steps,with an RF power output of 15,& 4 watts.Size 103mmH x 385mmW x 391mmD,8kg(11kg with battery). Ref.#10,#11,#12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Format: Courier #12 font. Margins, top .07", bottom .25", left .5", right .5", header .07", footer 0. *********************************************** ON THE COMMERCIAL FRONT; PRC-75's, All money must be in before shipping and prices are shipping extra. 10ea PRC 75 100.00 ea complete no accy 13ea Chassis 20.00 ea no covers or modules 10ea Parts radios missing parts or modules ect 30.00 ea 2ea Battery boxes very hard to find item 25.00 ea 5ea Covers for radios 8.00 ea nice to have an extra 8ea Power cords 10.00 ea 13ea Crypto cables 15 ea no crypto boxes can be made into power cord 5ea Lanyards 8.00 ea 8ea 50 ohom coax cable adaptors (hard to find) 15.00ea 5ea Transport cases 25.00 ea 9ea misc Modules 10.00 ea 7ea Antennas 10.00 ea When requests are in I will notify who was first so there will be no hard feelings whish there were more Carl *********************************************** HUMOR; The Ballad of the Computer Hillbillies (Sung to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies) Come and listen to a story 'bout a man named Jed, A poor college kid, barely kept his family fed, But then one day he was talking to a recruiter, Who said, "they pay big bucks if ya work on a computer..." Windows, that is... PC's... Workstations... Well, the first thing ya know ol' Jed's an Engineer. The kinfolk said "Jed, move away from here". They said "California is the place ya oughta be", So he bought some donuts and he moved to Silicon Valley... Intel, that is... Pentium ... big amusement park... On his first day at work, they stuck him in a cube. Fed him more donuts and sat him at a tube. They said "your project's late, but we know just what to do. Instead of 40 hours, we'll work you 52!" OT, that is... unpaid... mandatory... The weeks rolled by and things were looking bad. Schedules started slipping and some managers were mad. They called another meeting and decided on a fix. The answer was simple... "We'll work him sixty-six!" Tired, that is... stressed out... no social life... Months turned to years and his hair was turning grey. Jed worked very hard while his life slipped away. Waiting to retire when he turned 64, Instead he got a call and escorted out the door. Laid off, that is... de-briefed... unemployed... Now the moral of the story is listen to what you're told, Companies will use you and discard you when you're old. So gather up your friends and start your own firm, Beat the competition, watch the bosses squirm. Millionaires, that is... Bill Gates... Steve Jobs... Y'all come back now... ya hear' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The IRS sent me a letter last Friday. They audited my return and denied two of my dependent deductions! I sent them the following letter: Dear Sirs: I am responding to your letter denying the deduction for two of the three dependents I claimed on my 1996 Federal Income Tax return. Thank you. I have questioned whether these are my children or not for years. They are evil and expensive. It's only fair that since they are minors and not my responsibility that the government (who, evidently, is now taxing me more to care for these waifs) knows something about them and what to expect over the next year. You may apply next year to reassign them to me and reinstate the deduction. This year they are yours! The oldest, Kristen, is now 17. She is brilliant. Ask her! I suggest you put her to work in your office where she can answer peoples questions about their returns. While she has had no formal training, it has not seemed to hamper her knowledge of any other subject you can name.Taxes should be abreeze. Next year she is going to college. I think it's wonderful that you will now be responsible for that little expense. While you mull that over, keep in mind she has a truck. It doesn't run at the moment so you have the immediate decision of appropriating some Department of Defense funds to fix the vehicle or getting up early to drive her to school. Kristen also has a boyfriend. Oh joy. While she possesses all the wisdom of the universe, her alleged mother and I have felt it best to occasionally remind her of the virtues of abstinence, and in the face of overwhelming passion, safe sex. This is always uncomfortable and I'm quite relieved you will be handling it in the future. May I suggest you reinstate Joycelyn Elders who had a rather good handle on the problem. Patrick is 14. I've had my suspicions about this one. His eyes are a little to close together for normal people. He may be a tax examiner himself someday if you don't incarcerate him first. In February I was rudely awakened at three in the morning by a police officer who was bringing Pat home. He and his friends were TP'ing houses. In the future would you like him delivered to the local IRS office or sent directly to Ogden, UT? Kids at 14 will do almost anything on a dare. His hair is purple. Permanent dye, temporary dye, what's the big deal? Learn to deal with it.You'llhave plenty of time since he is sitting out a few days of school after instigating a food fight. I'll take care of filing your phone number with the vice principal. Oh yes, he, and all his friends, have raging hormones. This is the house of testosterone and it will be much more peaceful when he Iives in your home. DO NOT leave any of them unsupervised with girls, explosives, inflammables, inflatables, vehicles or telephones. (I'm sure you'll find the telephones a source of unimaginable amusement, besure to lock out the 900 and 976 numbers!) Heather is an alien. She slid through a time warp and appeared quite by magic one year. I'm sure this one is yours. She is 10, going on 21. She camefrom a bad trip in the sixties. She wears tie-dyed clothes, beads, sandals and hair that looks like Tiny Tim's. Fortunately you will be raising my taxes to help you offset the pinch of her remedial reading courses. Hooked on Phonics is expensive so the schools dropped it. Good news! You can buy it yourself for half the amount of the deduction you are denying! It's quite obvious we were terrible parents (ask the other two) so they have "helped" raise this one to a new level of terror. She cannot speak English. Most people under twenty understand the curious patois she fashioned out of valley girl/boys in the hood/reggae/yuppie/political doublespeak. I don't. The school sends her to a speech pathologist who has her roll her R's. It added a refreshing Mexican/Irish touch to her voice. She wears hats backwards, pants baggy and wants one of her ears pierced four more times. There is a fascination with tattoos that worriesme but I'm sure you can handle it. Bring a truck when you come to get her,she sort of "nests" in her room and I think it would be easier to move the entire thing than find out what it's really made of. You denied two of the three deductions so I guess it's only fair you get to pick which two you will take. I prefer you take the two youngest, I still go bankrupt with Kristen's college expense but then I'm free! If you take the two oldest at least I have time for counseling before Heather becomes a teenager. If you take the two girls I won't feel so bad about putting Patrick in a military academy. Please let me know of your decision as soon as possible as I have already increased the withholding on my W-4 to cover the $395 in additional tax and made a down payment on an airplane. Yours Truly, Mr. "John Smith" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How come when you mix water and flour together you get glue ... and then you add eggs and sugar and you get cake? Where does the glue go? -- Rita Rudner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The formula for water is H2O. Is the formula for an ice cube H2O squared? -- Lily Tomlin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't mind going back to daylight saving time. With inflation, the hour will be the only thing I've saved this year. -- Victor Borge *********************************************** (The preceding was a product of the"Military Collector Group Post", an international email magazine dedicated to the preservation of history and the equipment that made it. Unlimited circulation of this material is authorized so long as the proper credits to the original authors, and publisher or this group are included. For more information conserning this group contact Dennis Starks at, military-radio-guy@juno.com) ***********************************************