MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Apr.8/98 INDEX: KOREAN WAR VINTAGE? And Dating Radio Equipment; Part II, By Dennis Starks MEMBERS WRITE; MORE SPRING CLEANING; ON THE COMMERCIAL FRONT; HUMOR; *********************************************** KOREAN WAR VINTAGE? And Dating Radio Equipment; Part II, By Dennis Starks In the first part of this series, and in a following article, we discussed some of the methods we can use to try and estimate the vintage of our equipment. The PRC-6 was the first example, concluding, that while it is conceivable that it could have participated in the Korean War, it would have had nothing to talk to. What about the PRC-10 you say? Sadly, unlike the PRC-6, history has left us little information about the development or early history of these radios, so we must read between the lines to learn anything about them. With the PRC-8,9, & 10, we have manual dates listed in TM11-5820-292-10(September 61) that supersedes TM11--612 of Dec.54, Dec.55(C-1), Sep.56(C-2), Dec.57(C-3), Mar.59(C-4), Sep 61(C-5), all well after the war. It would seem that it took quite a few tries to get this manual complete! Another manual(TM11-612, Dec.54 itself) list the contradicting dates of Sept.51 for the earliest printing. With C-1 at 1953, and C-2 at 1954. Hmmm, none of these dates jive with those dates listed in the other text? So if we use the logic learned in part one, the earliest manual printing date of 1951, would be preceded by a preliminary manual printed by the original contractor which would push the possible date back to 1950. Buttt! Could this early date listed for the TM11-612 have indeed been that preliminary manual? While it is true that contractor preliminary manuals never had a TM number designation, it is common to find them with a TM number either rubber stamped or hand written on their covers. But this is not conclusive, and as we have no example of this early text, lets look elsewhere for the answer. Ref.#1 dated Oct.1953, is the first document of it's type to list the PRC-10 family of equipment. While it is true that reference material of this ilk is the poorest for use in dating equipment, our purpose here is to look at the description of the radio sets. The power is listed as being supplied by "battery dry, or VEHICULAR", this will be significant as you read on. It is curious that pictures of the PRC-8, 9, and 10 presented in this reference are all of different versions of their prototype radios. Inter the AM-598! It is possible, and often, true that accessory items for any particular radio set, might have been designed, or introduced well after that of it's parent system, or even meant to replace a completely different earlier type. An example can be seen in the vehicular power supplies for the BC-1306, and the GRC-9, I/E the PE-237, and DY-88, both being completely different, and the DY-88 entering the field much later. On the other hand, ancillary items might have been jointly developed right along side it's companion system. This would seem to be the case with the AM-598, and the PRC-10 family, as can be seen via Ref.#1. While Ref.#1 does list the AM-598, it does not mention any relationship between it, and the PRC-10. Hmmm? I bring up the AM-598 here because we have for it, what we don't have for the PRC-10, a preliminary manual! Printed by RCA in September of 1953, in it's introduction it has the note,"this instruction book will be replaced by TM11-5055 when published". This would tend to confirm the dates listed in TM11-5820-292-10 with the earliest of 1954. Remember, we know that the standard military printed manual might lag the preliminary by about one year, so this fits perfectly. Even if we go by the 1951 date, we know this lags the PRC-6 by two years, and has been pointed out, the possibility of the PRC-6's participation in the Korean War is very remote. Other significant dates: contracts, range from 1952-1955, with cost of $218.18 (Western Electric, 1955, PRC-8) to $592.78,(RCA, 1952, PRC-9). Other contractors included Motorola, Admiral, and Utility Electronics Corp. Note, that while a contract date exist for 1952, we know that it would have taken a year for this order to be filled, which still coincides with our 1953 guesstimate. The next radios to be investigated will be the RT-70, and GRC-9, you might be surprised, or at least thoroughly confused. If you have any input on this, or the future subjects, please lets use know. Dennis Starks; MILITARY RADIO COLLECTOR/HISTORIAN military-radio-guy@juno.com Ref.#1) SIG 3,Oct 1953,List of Current Issue Items. *********************************************** MEMBERS WRITE; Hello Dennis; I have not had anyone contact me about the free Eico, and Photofacts stuff that I listed several weeks ago. I you still have someone who wants them I can send them to you . Just let me know. Kevin Hough KG0QE Farmington, MN. KG0QE@juno.com *********************************************** MORE SPRING CLEANING; While diggin out all the other stuff for ya, found a bunch more. Of course if yer dumb enough to wanna trade for any of this crap, I'd love to oblige you. Figure postage extra on everything. Somebody asked about the Collin aircraft stuff, I must have lost the message, please, PLEASE, send it again. Dennis GE Twins, early coffin style transmitter and receiver. Will work 6 meters, pair of 807 outputs. $20.00 pair, 2 pair avail.(realy good shape) DAMN SHAME COLLINS HAD TA WAIST ALL THAT TIME AND EXPENCE ON THIS AIRCRAFT CRAP! 17L4;Collins VHF aircraft transmitter,$15.00 51Y-3;Collins ADF receiver,exc.cond,$15.00 51X-1D;Collins VHF aircraft receiver,$15.00 ARC-38/RT-311;Collins 618S-1, 2-25mc,100w,AM/CW,aircraft transceiver, VG cond nchkd. ARC-38A/RT-594;As above except government converted to SSB.W/man, CPC-1 contr head,conn,DY-118 dyno. VG cond nchkd. Take both the ARC-38 & 38A, and all their crap. $150.00(modules interchange). Yes ya gotta take it all. 618T;Collins,2-30mc,synthesized,500w,AM/SSB aircraft(ARC-102)trans- ceiver,also used in FAC vehicles(MRC-108).The Standard of compari- son for over 25 years. Remains in service today with many foreign countries & airlines. Got a 618T-2, and a 618T-3, both are missing the side covers.GD cond NCHKD. Take em both all for $190.00 BC-357M;aircraft beacon receiver,gd cond,$10.00 BC-639;100-156mc,AM,rec,comp to BC-640 trans.Used for ground contr of fighter aircraft. #1,OD green,broken meter glass,HB pwr sup mntd inside,reported to work.Missing data plt.Gd cond nchkd.$18.00 #2,Grey,broken meter glass,may have mods,missing data plt(may have found).$18.00 BC-733;Aircraft Blind landing receiver.Ops 108.3-110.3mc AM,on 6 Xtal Control Channels.GD cond NCHKD,$15.00,3 avail, take um all-$38.00 ARC-3/R-77A;receiver,late WW-II,VHF AM Xtal control.GD cond NCHKD $15.00 ARC-3/T-67;companian transmitter to above.GD cond nchkd,$15.00. Both R-77A & T-67,$25.00 ARN-21/RT-220;Use unknown,FR-GD cond.$15.00 UPX-7;Simi to APX-6 IFF transponder,w/C-744 control head.GD cond NCHKD $20.00(just more aircraft shit to me! and it's taken up room that good green stuff could be in!) R-1861/FSS-9(V), and ID-9121, were used with some kinda infrared security system, I got a bunch of um, some new. $8.00 pair, or 2 pair $14.00, or 4 pair $20.00, then you can figger um out. Been trippin over this box-o-crap long enough! BC-624 or BC-625;Trans/Rec Part of SCR-522 VHF aircraft radio system. FR cond, $15.00ea.several pair avail, parts units $10.00 several avail.(some more aircraft shit that ya just can't give away!) DAE;WW-II,Navy,RDF rec,built by Radio Marine.Tunes 200-2000kc,am/cw.No cab,dial window yellowed,110vac ops.VG-cond nchkd $30.00 C-1123/GRC-26,remote contr/juction box for T-368 & late BC-610's.controls trans two recrs & TTY equip.$15.00.2 avail,(I paid a chunk for these damn things!, Why? Shit if I know!) C-1474/GRC,remote contr/junction box for T-368 or BC-610.$8.00.2 avail C-847,contr head/spkr for VRC-19 family radios,w/cable.$10.00, 2 avail (they got a great speaker, and grill in um) CFL-23285,control head for Navy MN transceiver,FR cond.$5.00 CD-53142,line filter unit for DAS-3 receiver,new in box,$5.00 PP-1398,28vdc pwr sup for ARR-39A,vg cond NCHKD.$10.00 ARC-27,28vdc dyno for ARC-27,NIB,$8.00 RA-62,110vac pwr sup for grnd use of SCR-522.Very dirty but works.$17.00,2 avail RA-67,rectifiar unit,provides 110vac & dc for TTY equipment,exc cond, $10.00 SA-281,Rotory inverter,24-30vdc/6-10amps to 125vac/450cps,$10.00 D-500SAN,AC voltage regulator,input 95-130v,output 110vac/400cps,$7.00 413F-1,Collins Winged,rack mnt pwr sup,use unknown,blk crnkl,VG cond $40.00. Don't know what the hell it goes to, but that's what I gave for it, drove 175 miles and wasn't commin home empty handed. G-43,Hand crank generator,same uses as GN-58,but later model,correct for RS-1,6,& GRC-109,exc cond but has bad field winding,less cranks,(I ealy got screwed on this one,thanks Mr.Merz)$18.00# G-43,Fold up legs only,exc cond $30.00(I got the shaft on these too!) BC-367,interphone box used in early WW-II armored vehicals,will need on/off switch & fuse holders replaced. $10.00 BC-645;Part of SCR-515,Late WW-II,airborn transceiver/transponder IFF 460-490mc,same as Navy ABA. #1 exc cond still mounted to shipping board,$25.00. #2 New in Box.$30.00, take um both-$45.00 ABA-1;WW-II,Navy,transceiver 460-490mc,airborne IFF transponder,same as BC-645/SCR-515(also avail).W/dyno pwr sup.VG-EXC cond nchkd. Dyno avail.$25.00 LS-6C,WW-II vintage megaphone/PA system,includeds LS-6C hand held horn/mic,T-36 hand mic,CS-91C carry case(pr-fr cond),M-230 tripod,Phila 43.GD-VG cond NCHKD,$45.00 BC-1303,contr for SCR-522.FR cond.$7.00 BC-1306;rec section only. No cab avail comp & Vg-Exc $15.00.2 avail IC/FCA-1M,shipboard audio amp,pair 6L6 output,FR cond. $9.00 TYPE 105 mod 4A,Northern Radio FSK exiter keyer,3 xtal contr freqs 2-32mc,2E26 output,w/type 10-3 mod 1 adapter for local or remote freq contr.$15.00 TT-76/GGC,teletype reperf/transmitter,w/all cables.VG-EXC cond. Free but gotta come get it. Got about three of um. CV-186/GRC,FSK converter for BC-610,by Hallicrafters.FR cond. Free, come and get it! SB-22/PT,Mini field portable telephone switch board w/headset, VG cond, $68.00, 2 avail(why the hell did I buy these things?) H-63, headphones only, 500ohm, may need clean up or repair.$3.00ea, got a bunch of them. Boom mics for above,use with same or to repair M-29's.W/JJ-055 $2.00, got a bunch of these too. M-80,500ohm dynamic niose cansceling,U-229 con,used $5.00#, New $8.00.less connector $2.00. (Hang one of these from yer shirt pocket, and look empressive at the next hamfest, can outfit yer whole family.) M-29,carbon mic.U-77-con.used $7.00(even less useful than the above, how many ya want?) Type U400, Ser.No.15, 813 tube tester by Rad Reg Labs, fr-gd cond, nchkd, $15.00 Large stacks of TTY manuals, .50ea no choise, ya get what ever will fit in the box I pick out, screw with me, & I'll throw in a bunch more, (let that be a lesson to ya!) MD-522A/GRC,FSK modulator/demodulator,solid state.EXC cond NCHKD$50.00. 2 avail. Had ta give a fortune for these damn things too, but I got the one I wanted. Tunning Units for APR-1,4,RDO etc; 38-90mc in case $15.00, 80-300mc $10.00, 2 avail, (Might be a little grungy form storage and neglect.) Gonset GC-105,2 mtr AM,mobile or base transceiver,FR cond,NCHKD $10.00(don't look that good, but got a power supply in it with all kindsa possibilities) PAT-50A;Bendix "Flightweight" vintage mini aircraft VHF transmitter, 5 chan xtal contr,w/mount & modulator.GD cond nchkd,$15.00 NARCO VTR-2A, with power supply/modulator, some kinda aircraft transceiver thing, not very big, so won't cause major bodily harm if ya kick it. $15.00 Swan 350,75-10mtr transceiver,w/ac pwr sup,gd-vg cond chkd,$140.00(took this thing in on trade, felt sorry for the guy, boy was I a dope, it ain't even greeen!) Bendix Skipper,marine AM transceiver,works 160 or 75mtrs,Plate modulated 6146,6 chan xtal contr,built in BC rec,solid state power sup,rec,& modulator.Ops from 12vdc,cntrls for vol,sqlch,chan,BC tune,ANL.VG cond CHKD.$25.00 RCA,CRM-P8A-25,As above except no sqlch or ANL cntrls,hybrid rec,GD cond CHKD $25.00 Sperti Mod XR-2BS,2 mtr handie,the first ever commercialy made(circa 1949),GD cond NCKD,$20.00(this is realy a neet little thing, but I just gotta draw a line somewhere!) I got some extra Atlas stuff too, but I'm kinda proud of it. I-56J,Combination Tester,combines tube tester & VOM in same TV-7 size package,built by Triplett 1943,VG cond NCKD(companion to the Triplett 1175B listed above).$35.00 Tripplett,1175B,Vintage multi purpose portable test set,"All Purpose,All Wave,Tester"combines sig gen 130kc-28mc & VOM,VG cond missing pannel screws,NCHKD,(this is a companion set to the I-56J test set listed above)$20.00 I-95BM,port feild strength meter,100-156mc,w/cover,VG cond nchkd,blk crkl,$15.00 I-130A,WW-II vintage portable sig gen,ops 100-155mc,w/adapter,VG cond, Phila 42,$20.00 ME-9,multi meter,GD cond nchkd,$10.00# ME-6D, VTVM, looks good, might even work. $12.00 TV-3C,tube chkr,simi to TV-7 except has internal roll charts,adapter storage,built in VTVM & LC meter,GD cond chkd,bad meter(replacement included),w/service/ops manual.$38.00 LM-21,Navy mini Freq meter,#1 less cal book,PR-FR-cond.$10.00#,#2 GD cond $15.00# Measurements,Mod 111,Xtal calibrator,adjustable outputs of .25,1 & 10mc.Controls for freq PPM,Vol,phones.Small portable set about the size of an old Eico VTVM.VG cond CHKD w/man.$20.00 Heathkit,"Q"meter,mod ?,VG cond NCHKD,$20.00 Heath Kit,mod.EA-1 audio amp, looks like a 6BQ5's in it. Controls for volume, tune, phono/tuner. gd cond NCHKD.$20.00 Sencore,TR-15 transistor checker,VG cond CHKD,$17.00 Systron Donner,101 pulse gen,very small solid state,ops .1kc-10mc,many knobs connectors & gadjets.w/man,VG cond chkd.$85.00(I gave $100 for this thing less the manual, got too many damn gadgets for my feeble mind) Vibrater checker,Vintage set checks 4,5,& 3 differant 6 pin vibrators using 4 light bulbs,needs new cord,$10.00 Sadelco,FS-3,mini portable,solid state feild strength mtr,54-200mc, TV/VHF/UHF,gd cond chkd,$25.00 EMC,213mini portable tube checker,w/man.VG-EXC cond,$30.00 Knight Kit,KG-670,R/C bridge,GD cond,CHKD,$15.00# How many BC-221's can ya use? Bring a Truck! Leggings,WW-II,VG cond,$8.00 BX-32A,wood box to hold 121 FT-243 xtals.Phila 42,$8.00 2 avail CS-137,Xtals storage box,$5.00 CY-684/GR,spares box for various VRC/GRC's,$5.00,3 avail CY-1210/U,spares box for various VRC/GRC types,$5.00,2 avail CY-1399,Xtals box for PRC-14,$5.00, MT-1898,mount for R-442.used $10.00,new $18.00@# MT-1029,mount for VRC-12 family or AM-2060 & PRC-25/77.New,18.00 MT-3140,mount for GRC-106,w/some hardware.$18.00 2 avail AB-1089,Tripod adapter base for AB-155,40'antenna mast kit. $9.00, several available. MS-44,extra 5.5'mast sections for above.$7.00,Bent/$5.00(htere piled up here like cord wood, the lawn mower just hate's um) AT-1095,upper fiberglass whip section used with AS-1729(MX-6707)or AT-912(MX-2799) & others,New in package,$10.00, gut a bunch! AS-1320,15ft whip for PRC-47,w/canvas bag,3 sets for $29.00,gotta slug of um MX-2799,base/tuner/spring/mount for AT-912 vehicular 30-76mc antenna, gd cond nchkd,$15.00,4 avail RE-13/ARA-8,Antenna relay used with SCR-522,AN-104,& ARA-8,missing back over,$5.00 CU-2169/GSQ,use unknown,5 panel N connectors,on/off switch,cast alum- inum housing approx 3.5x6x8 including battery box.Appears unused.EXC cond.$7.00. No idea what this thing is either, but it sure looks neet! SC-D-189023,mount for AS-1729(MX-6707)etc.New,$10.00 SC-C-189025,4" spacer for above,holds mnt out away from vehical body.New$5.00, might have a few hundred of these? SC-B-189023,reinforceing back plate for above mounts.New $5.00. Need 20 or 30 of um? EE-8,feild telephones used WW-II till Veitnam, #1,w/nylon(Veitnam issue)bags,canvas straps.Gd cond chkd,$40.00pr #2,one loose FR cond $20.00. #3,w/heavy late WW-II canvas bags,gd cond chkd,$48.00pr #5,w/late WW-II heavy canvas bag,$25.00 manuals avail TA-221/PT,Telephone,Circuit Operators control,P/O SB-22 & SB-86 feild witchboards.contain crank gen,patch & handset connections.GD COND CHKD$15.00,# 2 avail TA-426/GTC,late modle feild or fixed telephone,Touch tone key pad,w/hard over,VG cond nchkd.$20.00 C-433/GRC,Part of GRA-6,remote control.$10.00.4 avail,# C-434/GRC,Part of GRA-6,local control.$15.00.4 avail,# PP-3700,110vac pwr sup for PRC-41,clips to bottom of radio replacing battery.VG cond chkd.$20.00(thats half what I gave for it a couple years ago) MX-7777/VRC,24vdc surge supressor used with all late model equip.unused,$10.00,2 avail PARTS: Lots, and LOTS of modules for VRC-19 series radios, don't count on gettin any tubes, tell me what ya need, you can have it! RBZ, insides might be good, outside REALY BAD. $7.00, 2 avail BC-1306, transmitter sections, 2ea, between the two, ya can make on good one, but ya still won't have the grill. $20.00 BC-603 receiver, preaty nasty shape, but not hopeless, $13.00 ARC-5 trans, 3-4mc, stripped but still has the roller inductor, air caps, and all front panel stuff. $11.00 BC-654, rec section, might even work, but looks like shit, been mounted in some damn aircraft type equipment box, and 110vac sup added. $15.00 PP-4127B, battery charger, missing meters, and has no cabinet, lotsa goodies inside, $8.00. BC-610 tuning units, might need repair, got lotsa good parts or the Hallicrafters knobs, TU-4, TU-52, two others can't find the number on, $5.00ea Many tons of other obstical course material around here too, will include each item here the next time I trip over it! Didn't even get into the old bus ta see what was in there. Nor list the realy good stuff thats been layin in the yard fer a couple years. Got a truck? How bought a trailer? Bring it up, I'll fill it, no charge! PLEASE, I'M DESPARATE! Dennis Starks; MILITARY RADIO COLLECTOR/HISTORIAN military-radio-guy@juno.com *********************************************** ON THE COMMERCIAL FRONT; Haney Electronic Company: J-45, leg iron CW keys, Correct for BC-1306, GRC-9, GRC-109, and PRC-47. These are new old stock units most still in original packaging, several contract dates from 1968 to 1980's. They include cord CD-201A with PJ-055B connector. The member price is $20.00ea, plus shipping. AS-2975, PRC-70 dipole antenna kit. Unused Similar to that use with the PRC-74 differing mainly in the balun it uses. The member price is $25.00ea, plus shipping H-250 handsets, new, latest issue. $17.50 ea U-229 audio connectors, $1.00ea U-77 audio connectors, $2.00ea PRC-25 or 77 battery connectors, removed from battery, with white plastic spacer. $1.00ea A list of available manuals is available on request. Quoted prices are good to group members only. To place an order contact Steve Haney at , If you have trouble with this address, call 817-496-3346. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wanted: home for a circa 1945 BC-610 Transmitter. Inherited father's toys. Last one to go. Unit was restored partially, no guaratees of working condition. Please help me find a new owner... Susan Dorn CInAp: Creative Intelligence Applied RR1 Box 291E12 Randolph, Vermont 05060 (802) 728-6592, Fax: (802) 728-6609 *********************************************** HUMOR; Penis Study In 1991, the American Government funded a study to see why the head of a man's penis was larger than the shaft. After one year and $180,000, they concluded that the reason the head was larger than the shaft was to give the man more pleasure during sex. After the US published the study, Germany decided to do their own study. After $250,000 and 3 years of research, they concluded that the reason was to give the woman more pleasure during sex. Poland, unsatisfied with these findings, conducted their own study. After 3 weeks and a cost of around $75.47, they concluded that it was to keep a man's hand from flying off and hitting him in the forehead. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Densa Quiz! How smart are you really???? Take this quiz, if you dare, and see! Scoring is as follows: Correct Answers Rating: 12 Genius 10-11 Above Normal 7-9 Normal 4-6 Slow 1-3 Idiot 0 Brain dead 1. Do they have a 4th of July in England? Yes or No 2. How many birthdays does the average man have? 3. Some months have 31 days; how many have 28? 4. How many outs are there in an inning? 5. Is it legal for a man in California to marry his widow's sister? Yes or No ? 6. Divide 30 by 1/2 and add 10. What is the answer? 7. If there are 3 apples and you take away 2, how many do you have? 8. A doctor gives you three pills telling you to take one every half hour. How many minutes would the pills last? 9. A farmer has 17 sheep, and all but 9 die. How many are left? 10. How many animals of each sex did Moses take on the ark? 11. A clerk in the butcher shop is 5' 10'' tall. What does he weigh? 12. How many two cent stamps are there in a dozen? DON'T READ ANY FURTHER UNTIL YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL THE ABOVE QUESTIONS! THE DENSA TEST: YOUR EVALUATION 1. Is there a fourth of July in England? Yes, it comes after the third of July! 2. How many birthdays does the average man have? 1 Just one! 3. Some months have 31 days; how many have 28? 12 - all of them! 4. How many outs are there in an inning? 6 - three per side! 5. Is it legal for a man in California to marry his widow's sister? No, because he is dead! 6. Divide 30 by 1/2 and add 10. What is the answer? 70. (30 divided by 2 equals 15, but 30 divided by 1/2 equals 60!) 7. If there are 3 apples and you take away 2, how many do you have? 2, you took them, remember? 8. A doctor gives you three pills telling you to take one every half hour. How many minutes would the pills last? 60. Start with the 1st pill, 30 minutes later take the 2nd, then 30 minutes for the 3rd. 9. A farmer has 17 sheep, and all but 9 die. How many are left? 9. If 8 out of 17 die, all but 9 die, eh? 10. How many animals of each sex did Moses take on the ark? 0 Moses didn't have an ark, Noah did! 11. A clerk in the butcher shop is 5' 10'' tall. What does he weigh? Meat. A butcher weighs meat! 12. How many two cent stamps are there in a dozen? 12...There are12, 2 cent stamps in a dozen! Add Your Score! How do feel ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnny and Susie, each five years old, decided to get married. So Johnny went to Susie's dad to ask for her hand in marriage. "Where will you live?" asked Susie's dad, thinking this was cute. "Well," Said Johnny, "I figured I could just move into Susie's room. Its plenty big for both of us." "And how will you live?" "I get $5 a week allowance and Susie gets $5 a week allowance. That should be enough." Getting exasperated since Johnny seemed to know all the answers, Susie's dad asked, "And what if little ones come along?" "Well," said Johnny, "we've been lucky so far." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rake There's this couple doing yard work and the wife stops to go up and take a shower....so the guy is looking for the rake and yells to his wife, who looks out from the upstairs bathroom window, "Where's the rake?" She can't hear him, so he points to his eye [I], points to his knee [need] and then makes raking motions. "What?" she yells. So he goes through the whole routine again. She nods like she gets it and then points to her eye, squeezes her left breast, slaps her ass and then rubs her crotch. Her husband is somewhat confused, but totally aroused, so he quickly goes in the house, up the stairs, and into the bathroom. "What did you say?" She says, "I said: eye, left tit, behind, the bush." *********************************************** (The preceding was a product of the"Military Collector Group Post", an international email magazine dedicated to the preservation of history and the equipment that made it. Unlimited circulation of this material is authorized so long as the proper credits to the original authors, and publisher are included. For more information conserning this group contact Dennis Starks at, military-radio-guy@juno.com) ***********************************************