From: military-radio-guy Full-Name: Dennis R Starks To: military radio collectors#3 Fcc: Sent Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:06:00 Subject: MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Mar.17/99 Message-ID: <19990317.060327.5271.5.military-radio-guy@juno.com> X-Status: Sent X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Mar.17/99 Index: ANNOUNCEMENTS; MEMBERS WRITE; Carl K. Problem, US Export Restrictions? Motorola/Lost Pilot Law Suite? HUMOR; *********************************************** ANNOUNCEMENTS; Dead Mail, The following email addresses keep bouncing. Anybody know what the deal is? , Glen Philips, (IO error, Illegal seek) , Pete Adams, (user unknown) , Dorian Klein, (user uknown) *********************************************** MEMBERS WRITE; Carl K. Problem, #1)Don't apologize, Dennis. There's no way to tell on email ( or any other way, for that matter ) who's honest and who isn't until they act. Suffice that you gave a fair period of observation, then acted. Better than acting in haste. #2)Don't apologize. As time goes on I find an alraming amount of radio people who are mentally insane and losers. I gess being nuts is a pre-requisite. If you want to see a mob of nuts and losers, subscribe yourself to the tempe collins list, for example theres the guy yesterday who was trying to sell a set of relays for the 30-S1 for some rediculous amount of money. and when you ask a question about a PRC-47 you get a whole heap of replies "Whats a PRC-47?". Personally I think we have been lucky to have had only four losers on this group. Unfortunately I gess there will be more. #3)I can understand your sentiments in trying be be impartial, as the central hub of the group. However - and this not in any way meant to put any blemish on you personally - the reason I did pay in advance in this case was the fact that K. did offer the goods within the group. It felt like a sheltered environment, where members could trust each other. Again, my error of judgement and in no way ment to blame you. However, possibly you should keep that in mind as well, when you have to decide wether or not to expose or expell people. And then again, I know how hard it can be to have to judge. Some time back I was sure one of my employees had his hand in the till. Just could not prove it. Later, it turned out is was someone else I never suspected. Am I glad I did not act on my hunch... Cheers anyway, it won't make me skip a meal so what's to worry. Exept for K., as I will do all the damage I can if he does not own up. #4)My expierence with Carl K. was limited to him wanting to trade equipment, But never coming through with it. It appears he is the type of guy who is a slick talker / fast walker. He would call me several times a day, then wanted me to send him the radios on account, yah right! The phone calls got so frequent that I just stopped answering it, then he'd fill up the answering machine in the span of one day. He has taken advantage of the unspoken trust among military radio equipment collectors and dealers. He has violated our trust. ed) Mr. K. has promised to make restitution to all interested party's who I've contacted him about, but time will tell and I remain sceptical. He's mounted a campaign of denial which blames me for all his short comings. To date, there are five members left who have not yet been compensated(that I know of), and two that have been. His conduct went overlooked for quite some time because of the almost unanimous response from everybody he affected(including myself) "I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt"(for 5 - 8 months or more!). It's admirable that we're such a trusting lot, but this was also used as ammunition against us. So that in future such activities as his are not carried on for such an extended period of time, you will all see a new line in the forward of the Sunday "Group Wants/Trades"(beginning last Sunday). Please heed it(all reports will be held in strict confidence). Some signs to keep your eyes out for: A certain amount of trust is required from both parties in any transaction. You trust a seller to provide an item as represented. The seller in turn trust you to compensate him for it. If all that trust must fall on the head of only one of those persons, there is reason to suspect. Persons who will only accept certified forms of payment or cash, or if they will take a check, they wait for it to clear before they conclude a transaction. Or if COD is not an option and the seller insist on pre-payment. Persons who spend an excessive amount of time, repeatedly telling you how honest they are, usually aren't! Insist on insured shipping of all items as 'part of the terms of the deal'(especially if you have prepaid for equipment). Failure to do this has resulted in attempts to leave the purchaser holding the bag under the guise of "it was lost in shipping"(more than once), if indeed the articles were ever shipped at all. Doing this has left one member very good grounds for his aggravation, and future legal action. Insurance was part of the purchase agreement. The seller, he insisting he had shipped all the equipment in question months before, contended that it was all lost by the shipper. The purchaser then insisted on a copy of the receipt for the insurance, and processing of the claim, neither were forth coming. If the seller had shipped the equipment at all, he had not insured it per the purchase agreement. This was all well documented via email messages and as such the purchaser has sufficient grounds for legal action(combined with evidence of this same con being conducted on others). Never accept an excuse for non-shipment like "it's setting here all boxed up and ready to go, I just haven't had time". Bull shit, all the time an effort has already been spend in the packaging. Delivery to the shipper is the easy part! When a statement like this is received from someone in the business of mail order sales, something is wrong! Beware those who would make a deal, then once it has been concluded, or is half way done, change the terms of that deal either adding to your end, or taking from their own insisting that this is what was agreed all along. The con man relies on your bad memory, or good intentions to get along. This and all those things listed above make it most important to save all messages relating to a deal until well after it has been concluded. And do not use the telephone if at all possible. The above do not necessarily apply to the current Carl K problem, but they are all cons that have been pulled on members of this group. (And Mr. K is a pro!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- US Export Restrictions, Whats the story with the guy in the trades who has the phrase "can't export due to US export restrictions" at the end of his trade/sell list. This is not the case at all, and if it was a problem all he has to do is get a licence. ed) It's not that simple. The military classifies communications equipment as ordnance, and with that comes certain unexplainable restrictions. To compound the problem is the fact that there is no clear cut list of what is exportable, and what's not(some list can be construed to include the BC-611!). To make things even worse, in typical bureaucrat style, each has a different interpretation of the rules according to their own whims. Those who have export licenses are under particular scrutiny. To the point that reputable dealers will often require prospective foreign purchasers to fill out state department forms to be approved for individual purchases. This form cost $50 whether or not it is approved. Some others just prefer to not ship overseas at all lest they should some how inadvertently violate any laws. It's all just more typical government bull shit that we must live with. The above is a rough outline, individuals very seldom observe these laws. But time, and repeated violations could eventualy spell their doom. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Motorola/Lost Pilot Law Suite? Hi Dennis: Did you ever find out what was the result of the suit? Pilot's Widow versus Motorola for defective PRC-112. Thanks. Cal. ed) I don't have any idea, the law suite in question was reported in MCGP Jan.20/99. *********************************************** HUMOR; Bill and Hillary are now married 40 years. When they first got married, Bill said, "I am putting a box under the bed. You must promise never to look in it." In all their 40 years of marriage, Hillary never looked. However, on the afternoon of their 40th anniversary, curiosity got the best of her, and she lifted the lid and peeked inside. In the box were 3 empty beer cans and $1,874.25 in cash. She closed the box and put it back under the bed. Now that she knew what was in the box, she was doubly curious as to why. That evening they were out for a special dinner. After dinner, Hillary could no longer contain her curiosity and she confessed say, "I am so sorry. For all these years I kept my promise and never looked into the box under our bed. However, today the temptation was too much, and I gave in. But now I need to know why do you keep the empty cans in the box?" Bill thought for a while and said, "I guess after all these years you Deserve to know the truth. Whenever I was unfaithful to you I put an empty beer can in the box under the bed to remind myself not to do it again." Hillary was shocked, but said, "I am very disappointed and saddened, but I guess after all those years away from home on the road, temptation does happen and I guess that 3 times is not that bad considering the years." They hugged and made their peace. A little while later Hillary asked Bill, "Why do you have all that money in the box?" Bill answered, "Whenever the box filled with empties, I cashed them in." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two old ladies were outside their nursing home having a smoke (that's the only place they could smoke at the nursing home) when it started to rain. One of the ladies pulled out a condom, cut off the end, put it over her cigarette, and continued smoking. Lady 2: 'What's that?' Lady 1: 'A condom.' Lady 2: 'Where'd you get it?' Lady 1: 'You can get them at any drugstore.' The next day, Lady 2 hobbles herself into the local drugstore and announces to the pharmacist that she wants a package of condoms. The guy looks at her kind of strangely (she is, after all, in her 80s), but politely asks what brand she prefers. "Doesn't matter," she replies, "as long as it fits a Camel." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An elderly couple are traveling across country, the woman was driving. She gets pulled over by a state trooper. The Officer said, "Ma'am did you know that you were speeding?" The woman turns to her husband and says, "What did he say?" The old man yells," HE SAID YOU WERE SPEEDING." The troopers says, "May I see your license?" The woman turns to her husband and says, "What did he say?" The old man yells, "HE WANTS TO SEE YOUR LICENSE." The old woman gives the trooper her license. The trooper says, "I see that you are from New Jersey. I spent some time in New Jersey, had the worst sex with a woman there that I ever had." The woman turn to her husband and asked, "What did he say?" The old man yells, "HE THINKS HE KNOWS YOU." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I took some clients out to dinner last week, and I noticed a spoon in the shirt pocket of our waiter as he handed us the menu's. It seemed a little odd, but I dismissed it as a random thing. Until our busboy came with water and tableware.....he, too, sported a spoon in his breast-pocket. I looked around the room, and all the waiters, waitresses, busboys, etc. had spoons in their pockets. When our waiter returned to take our order, I just had to ask, "Why the spoons?" "Well," he explained, "our parent company recently hired some efficiency experts to review all our procedures, and after months of statistical analyses, they concluded that our patrons drop spoons on the floor 73% more often than any other utensil at a frequency of 3 spoons per hour per workstation. By preparing all our workers for this contingency in advance, we can cut our trips to the kitchen down and save time.. nearly 1.5 extra man hours per shift." Just as he concluded, a "ch-ching" came from the table behind him, and he quickly replaced a fallen spoon with the one from his pocket. "I'll grab another spoon the next time I'm in the kitchen instead of making a special trip," he proudly explained. I was impressed. "Thanks. I had to ask." "No problem," he answered, then he continued to take our orders.As the members of my dinner party took their turns, my eyes darted back & forth from each person ordering and my menu. That's when, out of the corner of my eye, I spotted a thin, black thread protruding from our waiter's fly. Again, I dismissed it; yet I had to scan the room and, sure enough, there were other waiters & busboys with strings hanging out of their trousers. My curiosity overrode discretion at this point, so before he could leave I had to ask. "Excuse me, but...uh...why, or what... about that string?" "Oh, yeah". He began in a quieter tone. "Not many people are that observant. That same efficiency group found we could save time in the Men's room, too." "How's that?" "You see, by tying a string to the end of our, eh, SELVES, we can pull it out at the urinals literally hands-free and thereby eliminate the need to wash our hands, cutting time spent in the restroom by over 93%!" "Oh, that makes sense," I said, thinking thru the process."Hey, wait-a- minute. If the string helps you pull it out, how do you get it back in?" "Well," he whispered, "I don't know about the other guys; but I use my spoon." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- << WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? Pat Buchanan: To steal a job from a decent, hardworking American. Louis Farrakhan: The road, you will see, represents the black man. The chicken crossed the "black man" in order to trample him and keep him down. The Bible: And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing. Colonel Sanders: I missed one? L.A. Police Department: Give us five minutes with the chicken and we'll find out. Richard M. Nixon: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did not cross the road. I don't know any chickens. I have never known any chickens. Bill Clinton: I repeat, I did not have sexual relations with that chicken. Dr. Seuss: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes! The chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed, I've not been told! Ernest Hemingway: To die. In the rain. Martin Luther King, Jr.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. Grandpa: In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us. Aristotle: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. Karl Marx: It was a historical inevitability. Saddam Hussein: This was an unprovoked act of aggression by a dissident fowl, and we were quite justified in giving the chicken anthrax, which we do not produce, and have never seen. Ronald Reagan: What chicken? Captain James T. Kirk: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. Machiavelli: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive there was. Freud: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. Bill Gates: Next year (or sometime Real Soon Now), I will release Microsoft Chicken 2000, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook --- and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of the chicken. Einstein: Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken? Bill Clinton: I did not cross THAT road with THAT chicken, in the manner you may have implied. However, I did ask Vernon Jordan to find the chicken a job in New York. I have also bombed that Hussein fellow you quoted above, just to be sure that you aren't looking at the chicken anymore. Hillary and I love and respect each other, but we don't discuss the chicken, and she has no records about chicken (or Tyson Foods, for that matter). I do, however, feel the chicken's pain, and wish the chicken well in her future endeavors. Now, about Henry Hyde's chicken... *********************************************** (The preceding was a product of the"Military Collector Group Post", an international email magazine dedicated to the preservation of history and the equipment that made it. Unlimited circulation of this material is authorized so long as the proper credits to the original authors, and publisher or this group are included. For more information conserning this group contact Dennis Starks at, military-radio-guy@juno.com) ***********************************************