From: Dennis R Starks To: acer@ne.uswest.net,kgreene@cellmail.com,lazlow@lazlow.com, rdd02754@mail.telepac.pt,MBENDROR@LHSYSTEMSUSA.COM, joseph@pacificcoast.net,mbendror@villagenet.com, brumloff@capital.net,edd.b@snet.net,rcrice@rice-law.com, snoshu@market1.com,hardiem@intergate.bc.ca, n.anedda@rsadvnet.it,vas.2@juno.com,JDehoney@netbsa.org, dtrimble@garlic.com,yahya@orient.uw.edu.pl, bjtarry@faroc.com.au,bwgent@dreamscape.com, bwigg@worldnet.att.net,cfandt@netsync.net,dgnova@erols.com, MennoPutman@hetnet.nl,navrad@enter.net,scole@juno.com, crewman@voyager.net,braccot@hotmail.com,jwatkin9@idt.net, KI8HP@ATT.NET,hamradio@oz.net,rhsalomon@earthlink.net, saleswizard@salesforcetraining.com,SKYNITE@email.msn.com, brianclarke@telstra.easymail.com.au,FEYSSACJ@aol.com, jsulliva@eclipse.net,F5pica@aol.com,GAKopp@aol.com, prc74b@iglou.com,dia@dia.reno.nv.us,INDUSTELE@aol.com, h.hermanns@ginko.de,pigeon3@gte.net Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:09:52 -0600 Subject: MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Nov.15/99 Message-ID: <19991115.091135.-132301.10.military-radio-guy@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Full-Name: Dennis R Starks X-Status: Sent X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,17-18,23-25,27-29,33-46,48-51,53,55,57-58,61-63,65,67-68,70,72,74-76,78,80-83,85,87,89-91,93-94,96,98,100-102,104,106-109,111,113-114,116-118,120,122,124-128,130,132,134-137,139,141-143,145-179,186-188,190,192,194,196,198-203,207,220,226-235,237-240,242,244-245,247-252,254,256-264,266-267,269,271,273-275,277-279,281-287,290-292,294-296,298-385,387-389,391-439,446-448 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-Fcc: Sent Items X-Juno-Size: 17634 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Nov.15/99 Index: ANNOUNCEMENTS; MORE ON THE JOAN/ELEANOR USE; From Feyssac Jacques MEMBERS WRITE; Enigma, Midand 70-155? GRC Ballast Tubes Avail, HUMOR; *********************************************** ANNOUNCEMENTS; Chris Hassec? Has anybody heard from, or had any problems with Chris Hassec? Biggest Militaria Auction In Your Life Time! A very large local military surplus dealer(Lucky Gash) is hanging up his hat and will be selling via a six day auction, ten acres of equipment of every kind. Some highlights include: a dozen or so 6x6 trucks, Gama Goat, M-29 Weasel, M-271 Mule, 3ea M-151's, M-38's, 5ea M-38A1's, MB, assorted civilian Jeeps, 8ea M-37 Dodge Trucks, 5ea M-715 Kaiser Trucks, 6ea M-880 Dodge Trucks, 1943 Half Track, about 30 trailers of various sizes, over 8K manuals, and a very long list of other stuff. The sale takes place on I-70(Concordia Mo.) and begins on Friday Nov. 19. You can pole the following fax number for a complete list: 816-625-9011. I'll be there, but it's doubtful I'll get to buy anything. Let me know if you will be too. Enigma, It would seem that a few comments made on the Enigma in a couple recent issues of the "Group Post" have fueled some debate. GREAT! The result, we have two more articles on the subject that will appear very shortly. The first from the Polish view point, the second from the French. I love it! Dennis *********************************************** MORE ON THE JOAN/ELEANOR USE; From Feyssac Jacques Hello Dennis More information on the Joan Eleanor communication system. Following a first description of the communication system named : Joan Eleanor; and used during the second war; I found in one of my books more information about the operations conducted with this equipment. By the Way has anybody ever seen a picture of this equipment? The book title is : The Secret War Report of the OSS. By Anthony Cave Brown Berkley Medallion Books; 1976; SBN 425 03253 1 JOAN ELEANOR AND THE WEST FRONT In late 1944, possibilities for agent communication were greatly expanded by the OSS development of "Joan-Eleanor", a small radio unit with which an agent could speak directly with an OSS representative in a correspondingly equipped plane thirty thousand feet above him. J-E was available only in small quantities before VE-Day and was shared between the OSS detachments on the west Front and SI/London. The limited availability problem had been overcome by the fall of 1944. J-E was a two-way communications device which enabled an agent on the ground to talk directly with an appropriately equipped OSS representative flying in a plane above. J-E's compactness and light weight (4 lbs.) made for easy probability and concealment. Its use of small, long-life batteries deliminated the need for an outside power supply. A plane flying at 1000 feet could be in constant touch with little danger to the agent of interception. The high frequency and vertical cone-shaped directivity virtually nullified enemy D/F-ing [direction-finding]. J-E offered other operational advantages. Mistakes were minimized by having the agent in direct communication with an operator in the plane who could get repeats of clarifications on confusing points. As a double check, all conversations were recorded. The direct two-way voice communication also meant elimination of the delays and dangers of code garbling. It further enabled spot briefing to be given the agent, with the additional advantage of an immediate reply. Perhaps most important of all, it meant that as much data could be exchanged in a twenty-minute contact as could be carried out in days of normal W/T communication. To fly J-E missions, three British "Mosquitoes" were obtained during the fall of 1944. The tail sections were remodelled to include complete oxygen systems, secondary inter-communication, direction indicators and emergency lights and to provide space for the J-E operator and his equipment. Special training was given the crews to perfect them in the precision techniques that were required for the operations. J-E Operations-. The first J-E mission was dispatched early in November 1944, to Ulrum, Holland. From then until VE-day, a total of fourteen J-E teams were dispatched to Stuttgart, Berlin, Munster, Regensburg, Munich, Landshut, Leipzig Plauen, Straubing and Bregenz. Successful J-E contact was established with only four teams located at Ulrum, Regensburg, Berlin and Munich, Of the remaining ten missions, one was lost with its plane in the course of the dropping operation, another had its equipment smashed on landing and the rest were prevented by various factors, principally time and inexperience, form making contact. Thirty-eight J-E contacts were made with the four teams which established communication. Sixteen of these were with the mission dropped to Ulrum which, during most of the time, was operating under German control. Only one contact was made with the Berlin team. Forty seven other J-E flights were flown which failed to contact any team at all. However, the percentage of successful contacts increased greatly with experience. Furthermore, results, received from even the few missions contacted were on the whole so valuable and promising, relative to those from W/T equipped teams, that they more than made up for the failures. Finally, the "know-how" accumulated, and the possibilities revealed, indicated that J-E was a large contribution to the science of long-range intelligence penetration. During a discussion with Pierre Lorrain , we both agreed that J-E was not used operationally in France due to the full liberation of the country; but only in the countries named above. Dennis; I will also prepare you a small article on the use of SCR-195 by the French resistance in 1944 Feyssac Jacques ed) The SCR-195 & French Resistance? GREAT!! *********************************************** MEMBERS WRITE; Enigma, *Gentlemen, My understanding of the whole afffair of the Poles and the Enigma Machine was as follows; The Poles copied a German three wheel Enigma Machine. When the Polish Intelligence Service knew that the Nazi's were going to invade Poland, they smuggled the device out of Poland into France. >From France, the machine was then taken to Britin. In the several books I have read on the topic, all of them make note of the contrubution of the Polish Intelligence Service. Dennis, did you see the episode about the Enigma on PBS TV's NOVA program Tuesday night? Ray, this was a very well produced one hour program about the Enigma, and the GCHQ's efforts at Blechley Park during the war. Regards, Mark A. Cobbeldick [KB4CVN] Lynchburg, Virginia ed) I saw, and recorded it Saturday night. It was a very good show, and this was possibly the first time I've seen any mention of the Poles contribution on a TV show dealing with the Enigma. Now read that again, I said TV show! Meaning Television Program. I have read in numerous text, both official and commercial, of these contributions, just not seen it in the media. This was my initial gripe especially as more people watch TV than read history books. *Hello Dennis I just read the short article write by vk2ilv, the story is not so simple and not so short if you want to understand the full story of decoding Enigma!! We must be accurate as far as possible for preventing distorsion of history; the british receive everything the machine and how to use it, they were the last one in the chain !! Wait dennis more on that in a latter paper if you are interrested, and thanks for correcting my texts Best Regards dennis Feyssac J. ed) I believe that by the time this string has been completed we will have a fairly complete overview of the Enigma from several view points. Our intent is NEVER to cloud history! But to clear it up, and bring it to the attention of all. It is debates like this that do just that. I have many times in the past purposely allowed inaccuracies, or commonly held myths, to be included in the articles we have published. This was done for one purpose, to initiating debate from members that in turn provided us with several things. The first and most obvious, was more material for the Group Post. The second, and more important, those myths were exposed, and a greater understanding of the historic facts were had. This tactic will become very apparent when anybody reads our Backmail files, or even it's index. You'll see an initial article(like that on the History of U.S. portable radios, The Pogo Stick, or the GRC-109/RS-1) followed by either a barrage of "Member's Write" additions, or a follow-up article makes the needed corrections. In the long run, we all learn more about the given subject, member participation has been promoted, and we all benefit greatly. A special note, when a series of articles or a string of debate has been completed in the "Group Post", they are all included in our Backmail files together, and unchanged. It is our Backmail files, and not our Back Issues that provide our archives. It is this grouping of all associated material in the Backmail files that will prevent future corruption of history by persons reading material out of context. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Midand 70-155? Hi Dennis, I was wondering if you know anything about the Midland HT model # 70-155? I got one from the US embassy in Oman, and it looks as if it can be programmed for frequency. Do you have any information on how to do this? Thanks, John Watkins ed) I don't know a thing about um, wish I did as I have a couple of them myself. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Peoples Republic 50th Anniversary, I just returned form my trip to China Just a political observation on the Chinese and their 50th Anniversary of the Peoples Republic on 1 October 99. What I saw on Chinese State TV was a military parade in Bejing that rivaled any of the big May Day Parades in the Soviet Union back in the 1960's. Also much harsh political talk (saber rattling?) over Tiawan and how it must be rejoined to the Communist Mainland. President Jaming (at least I know his name even if I can not spell it correctly) spoke of using military force if necessary. The regular military troops and paramilitaries in the parade numbered in excess of 15,000. They had been hand picked and drilled for the event for a week, but this old NCO could tell by how some formations marched that they thought the parade was a lot of bull and did not give a damn even when on camera. Bet they got their asses chewed! Even the missle carriers were dolled up, sporting white wall tires! Best regards -- Brad Whiting ----------------------------------------------------------------- GRC Ballast Tubes Avail, Hello Dennis Not long time ago one of our member was looking for Ballast tubes used in PP-109 and 112:GRC; in the museum I have very easily 50 to 100 units available, but sending them in USA per unit or per 3 units will be a waste of money and for me a very serious problem of time available for that, can you pass a note to collect the name and quantity requested by the members and we will make a complete shipping. The tubes are ready and will be available for dispatch between 18 to 25 december, can you suggest me a fair price for the unit, dont forget that not for me but for the museum. FSN is 5905 299 1748 ballast tube for R-108, 109, 110, PP-109, PP-112 Manufacturer CELSIOR TYPE :GH 1101-2/ made for "Service des Transmissions" French Army By the way I do have also all the spare tubes of the GRC-3 to 5 familly Best Regards Feyssac J. ed) I don't know who it was needing the ballast tubes. We'll see if there is sufficient need, and if so, make arrangements to ship your offering here. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------- SCR-511, Am home for the weekend so dumping email. That last bit on the French Pogo/flag radio use was interesting in the light of motel viewing of the Hitler(History)Channel back in VA........ US troops moving up some rock toward Monte Casino or some such with those silly radios over their shoulders. Well, it was either that or chain carriers for the NFL measuring a first down. Ed Zeranski *********************************************** HUMOR; Canadian Temperature Equivelants 60 above New Yorkers try to turn on the heat. Canadians plant gardens. 50 above Californians shiver uncontrollably. Canadians sunbathe. 40 above Italian cars won't start. Canadians drive with the windows down. 32 above Distilled water freezes. Lake Ontario's water gets thicker. 20 above Floridians wear coats, gloves and woolly hats. Canadians throw on a sweatshirt 15 above New York landlords finally turn up the heat. Canadians have the last cook-out before it gets cold. - 0 - People in Miami cease to exist.. Canadians lick the flagpole. 20 below Californians fly away to Mexico. Canadians get out their winter coats. 40 below Hollywood disintegrates. Canadian Girl Scouts begin selling cookies door to door. 60 below Polar bears begin to evacuate Antarctica. Canadian Boy Scouts postpone "Winter Survival" classes until it gets cold enough. 80 below Mt. St. Helen's freezes. Canadians rent some videos. 100 below Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Canadians get frustrated when they can't thaw the keg. 297 below Microbial life survives on dairy products. Canadian cows complain of farmers with cold hands. 460 below ALL atomic motion stops. Canadians start saying...."Cold `nuff for ya?" 500 below Hell freezes over. The Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup. ----------------------------------------------------------------- << A Texan buys a round of drinks for all in the bar because, he announces his wife has just produced "a typical Texas baby boy weighing 20 pounds." Congratulations shower him from all around, and many exclamations of "Wow!" are heard. A woman faints due to sympathy pains. Two weeks later, he returns to the bar. The bartender says, "Say, you're the father of the typical Texas baby that weighed 20 pounds at birth. How much does he weigh now?" The proud father answers, "Ten pounds." The bartender is puzzled, concerned. "Why? What happened? He already weighed 20 pounds at birth." The Texas father takes a slow swig from his long-neck Lone Star, wipes his lips on his shirtsleeve, leans into the bartender and proudly says, "Had him circumcised. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Expensive Hotel A husband and wife are traveling by car from Miami to California . After almost twenty-four hours on the road, they're too tired to continue, and they decide to stop for a rest in Dallas , Texas. They stop at a nice hotel and take a room, but they only plan to sleep for four hours and then get back on the road. When they check out four hours later, the desk clerk hands them a bill for $350. The man explodes and demands to know why the charge is so high. He tells the clerk although it's a nice hotel, the rooms certainly aren't worth $350. When the clerk tells him $350 is the standard rate, the man insists on speaking to the manager. The manager listens to the man and then explains the hotel has an Olympic-sized pool and a huge conference center that were available for the husband and wife to use. He also explains they could have taken in one of the shows for which the hotel is famous. "The best entertainers from New York, Hollywood and Las Vegas perform here," explains the manager. No matter what facility the manager mentions, the man replies, "But we didn't use it!" The manager is unmoved and eventually the man gives up and agrees to pay. He writes a check and gives it to the manager. The manager is surprised when he looks at the check. "But sir," he says, "this check is only made out for $100." "That's right," says the man. "I charged you $250 for sleeping with my wife." "But I didn't!" exclaims the manager. "Well," the man replies, "she was here, and you could have." ----------------------------------------------------------------- A guy meets a gorgeous woman at a bar. After an evening of drinking, they both go back to her place. Within minutes of arriving, they are on the bed. He removes her blouse and skirt. Then, he pulls off his pants and shirt. He gets on top, and begins to make love to her. After a while, he notices that with each stroke he takes, her toes curl up. "Wow," he thinks, "I am GOOD!" and intensifies his thrusting. At this point, she stops him. "What's wrong?" he asks, "I thought you were enjoying this?" "I'd enjoy it more," she says, "if you took off my pantyhose." *********************************************** The preceding was a product of the"Military Collector Group Post", an international email magazine dedicated to the preservation of history and the equipment that made it. Unlimited circulation of this material is authorized so long as the proper credits to the original authors, and publisher or this group are included. For more information concerning this group or membership contact Dennis Starks at, . A list of selected articles of interest to members can be seen at: http://www.softcom.net/users/buzz/backmail.html ***********************************************