From: military-radio-guy Full-Name: Dennis R Starks To: military radio collectors#1 Fcc: Sent Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:26:43 -0500 Subject: MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Oct.18/99 Message-ID: <19991018.072644.4582.9.military-radio-guy@juno.com> X-Status: Sent X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 MILITARY COLLECTOR GROUP POST, Oct.18/99 Index: ANNOUNCEMENTS; Dead Addresses, DRMO MODIFIES DESTRUCTION ORDER OF SELECTED COLLINS EQUIPMENT; MEMBERS WRITE; Another Code Talker's Book, More FS-5000, & PRC-55, 40mtr Radio Show? A Positive Note, HUMOR; *********************************************** ANNOUNCEMENTS; Dead Addresses, Email to the following people has been bouncing fro some time. Do you know if anything is wrong? peterada@mindspring.com, Pete Adams tactcom@rocketmail.com, David Davidson cloudhop@ix.netcom.com, Dennis Polito chuckwrl@hiline.net, Chuck Gumbert dhouse@abac.com, Don House MRGTO101@aol.com, Dorian Klien brumloff@capital.net, Chuck Brumley *********************************************** DRMO MODIFIES DESTRUCTION ORDER OF SELECTED COLLINS EQUIPMENT; The Federal Government has reversed its' policy of destroying some of the surplus Collins Radio communications equipment in their inventories.. According to a letter dated October 6th 1999 sent to Michael Crestohl, W1RC, Department of Defense (DoD) officials have recently determined that some pieces of the Collins Radio equipment used by the military and government no longer require "demilitarization". The letter was from the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service (DRMS) which is a division of the DoD Defense Logistics Agency (DLA). It was signed by Mark D Vincent, Leader of the DEMIL Business Unit. The DRMS is responsible for disposing of excess and unneeded government property. The letter continued to state that the DEMIL Coding has been modified in the DRMS mechanized system that their field offices (DRMOs) use for processing property to reflect the no-DEMIL requirement for the FRC-93. The FRC-93 is the military nomenclature that describes the complete Collins Radio portable HF communication station consisting of the KWM-2A, 30L-1, 312B-4/5, 516F-2, PM2, CC-2/3 Carrying cases, 637T-2 transportable antenna and other related equipment. This equipment was all originally sold on the open market to radio amateurs by authorized Collins Radio dealers from the 1950s through to the early 1980s. In addition to the FRC-93, the DRMS letter also stated that the DEMIL Coding for the Collins-designed R-390, R-390A, R-725 and R-392 has also been changed to reflect their non-DEMIL status. However, the DoD Item Manager has advised the DRMS that some of the components of the radio may be radioactive and must be removed. This refers to the meters. The letter was sent in response to an inquiry made by Michael Crestohl, an amateur radio operator whose call sign is W1RC. W1RC is the Editor of THE SIGNAL which is the quarterly journal of the Collins Collectors Association. This group consisting of about 700 members is dedicated to the preservation, restoration and documentation of communications equipment manufactured by the Collins Radio Company of Cedar Rapids Iowa (now Rockwell Collins). W1RC was angered when he saw several KWM-2As, 30L-1s and 312B-4s that had been thusly "demilitarized" at a Hamfest flea market in Rochester New York last June. In an Editorial in THE SIGNAL he wondered why these items were being routinely destroyed when he knew of no possible reason for this action. He then contacted the DRMS' Public Affairs Office to try to find out why. "I am absolutely amazed that they actually changed the DEMIL Codes", stated W1RC. "Of course, I am delighted. We are all very fortunate that the two people at the DRMS I was dealing with were sympathetic to the situation and were able to research the items listed in my inquiry to a happy conclusion." "I am pleased that the lines of communications are now open to the appropriate authorities at the DRMS," commented W1RC. "However, the work is only beginning and there is much to do. I have set up a special DEMIL TASK FORCE to research the National Stock Numbers (NSN) on equipment that has historical significance which is the number used by the DoD and the DRMS to track all items. Then we can submit these NSNs to them for reconsideration and hopefully positive action." "We are actively looking for knowledgeable participants for the DEMIL Special Task Force. A special e-mail address (NO-DEMIL@hotmail.com) has been set up as a point of contact." The news was originally announced to the public on the inaugural program of THE REAL RADIO SHOW on WBCQ - The Planet 7.415 Mcs on Saturday October 16th 1999. This weekly program (Saturday 2330 - 0000Z) is hosted by Michael "Mister Mike" Crestohl, W1RC and Tim "Timtron" Smith WA1HLR and features news and items of interest to the vintage communications radio community. More Information contact: Michael Crestohl (W1RC) (Principal Perpetrator) ed) While I do not wish to detract from this momentous achievement, I'm not going to hold my breath. The destruction of ALL tactical communications equipment began in ernest just after the Oklahoma City bombing as a result of a Presidential order from Clinton(it was not federal, or DRMO policy). This order was implemented to prevent such equipment from finding it's way into the hands of the extreme right wing elements that were believed to have been responsible for that bombing. All the while BILLIONS of dollars of equipment were being destroyed, these same extreme elements were laughing their butt's off on their way to the local Radio Shack or hamfest where they had been purchasing far more advanced, and practical equipment for a fraction the cost of grossly outdated surplus. My scepticism stems from one simple fact. That while selected items of equipment were targeted for destructions, the non-technical civilian employees charged with carrying out this order, in their great zeal to comply, just destroyed everything that looked the part. And I mean everything! Field telephones, CW keys, etc. For instance, these same employees years before had been ordered to remove and dispose of all the radio-active panel meters in various types of military equipment. Instead, they simply removed, & destroyed ALL the panel meters, just in case, as they couldn't tell the difference(or didn't care). I make my living on surplus communications equipment and see this wanton destruction every day. I sincerely hope that your efforts have been effected in time to save some of those priceless examples of our heritage, and history. If nothing else, it's a good start. The fact that you even got any official to respond is very impressive! Dennis *********************************************** MEMBERS WRITE; Another Code Talker's Book, THERE IS ANOTHER BOOK ABOUT THE NAVAJO INDIANS IN WW II. IT IS CALLED THE NAVAJO CODE TALKERS, WRITTEN BY DORIS A. PAUL, PUBLISHED BY DORRANCE & COMPANY 35 CRICKET TERRACE, ARDMORE, PA 19003, COPYRIGHT 1973, ISBN 0-8059-1879-1, LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CATALOG CARD NUMBER 73-79199. IT HAS A LOT OF PICTURES IN IT ALSO. TODD HUSS ----------------------------------------------------------------- More FS-5000, & PRC-55, I THINK DHALMER/BENZ AND DEUITCHE >AEROSPACE( NOT TELEFUNKEN ?) WAS THE MAKER OF THE SETS I HAVE. THEY >PUT OUT A MODEL HRS-7000 ( IN JANES) THAT IS SIMILAR, BUT HAS ALL THE As near as I can tell from Jane's, AEG Telefunken (at least the division that made the FS-5000) was sold to Deutsche Aerospace and they are now DaimlerChrysler Aerospace. >PRC-55 Example Finally Found, There is a photo of the PRC-55 on the same website with the PRC-88 that Ralph mentioned. http://x.oc-to.net/m151a2/welcome.htm . The actual photo is at: http://x.oc-to.net/m151a2/radios/prc55.html Tom Bryan ----------------------------------------------------------------- 40mtr Radio Show? Dennis, do you mean I waited for this broadcast, just to hear Riley Hollingsworth, a high official at the FCC for many years that, in my estimation, was and is one of the biggest crooks the FCC has ever seen. Many years ago he sent me a cancellation notice for a 5 channel 800 mhz trunk license that I had. His reason for cancellation was that I had no control station--a rule that hadn't been implemented or enforced at that point. And it just so happened that a good friend of his, Bob Bell here in Dallas (Bob had many channels, and some would say had much more than his share) was able to latch on to the channels that I was about to loose. Three years later and about $50,000 in lawyer fees got my license back, no thanks to Riley Hollinsworth. I, for one, do not believe he is worthy to enforce Amateur Radio rules and regulations. It is not my intent to discredit this official--I am just telling the story as it was. -- Jim Hopper/W5EBQ ed) I announced this radio program as it was believed that it was to include discussion on the DRMO/Collins topic of above. I didn't listen myself, as I had escaped business responsibilities(that often spill over into the weekend) by hiding out on a boat at the lake. ----------------------------------------------------------------- A Positive Note, IF YOU EVER HAVE MISGIVINGS ABOUT DEALING WITH ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS GROUP, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ABOUT IT! On a positive note, I have been very satisfied with my recent dealings with Joseph Pinner, Mike Murphy, Steve Haney and Alan Tasker. Credit should be given where credit is due! -- Jack Sullivan ed) The above message was first included in our post because there were some less-than-honorable persons that had infiltrated our group. It was left there to insure that if in future we were again victimized, that those responsible could be quickly dealt with. The last such person, Carl Konefski, was in operation for almost a year and had amassed a victim list that was several pages long before he was found out, and shut down(with us anyway). I should note that Mr. K. is still in operation via several other email list, his web sites, and east-coast/mid-western hamfest(a large file is avail on request). As a result of collaboration between some member/victims of this group, restitution was made to most of those affected. While it might be impossible for us to police the whole of the world/internet, we will strive to keep our little corner of it safe. You have indeed listed a few of our most distinguished members, and I hope we can all follow their example. *********************************************** HUMOR; More One Liners *Incontinence Hotline...Can you hold, please? *Lysdexia: a peech imspediment we live to learn with... *If only women came with pull-down menus and on-line help. *Would the Standing Committee please sit down? *43.3% of statistics are meaningless! *The difference between tax avoiding and evasion is 10 Years. *Circular Definition: see Definition, Circular. *A.A.A.A.A. - An organization for drunks who drive. *Madness takes its toll; please have exact change... *It said 'Insert disk #3', but only two will fit. *For a REAL sponge cake, BORROW all the ingredients. *Bacon & eggs - Hens are involved but pigs are committed. *Which is the non-smoking lifeboat? * |||||||//////__ __ __ __ __ The domino effect at work. *Originality is the art of concealing your sources. *Just fill out one simple form to win a Tax Audit! *Paper clips are the larval stage of coat hangers. *Grow your own Dope - Plant a Politician. *Contents may have settled out of court. *If idiots could fly, then this would be an airport. *A day without sunshine is like night. *A seminar on Time Travel will be held two weeks ago.... *Democracy: Four wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. *Would you trust a POLITICIAN to run the country? *Improve mail delivery... mail the posties their pay!! *Treat each day as your last, one day you will be right. *Old is always fifteen years older than I am. *5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions. *I am the root of some evil... send some money. *The buck doesn't even slow down here! *Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain. *If you think talk is cheap, try hiring a lawyer. *Don't be sexist. Broads hate that. *Oh, no! Not ANOTHER learning experience! *The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep. *Don't question authority..... It hasn't got a clue!!!!! *Advice is free: The right answer will cost plenty. *He who laughs last is S-L-O-W. *Stupidity does not qualify as a handicap, park elsewhere! *Multitasking = screwing up several things at once. *Looking for a helping hand? There's one on your arm. *Don't take life too seriously, it's not permanent. *Don't Insult the Alligator till after you cross the river. *The trouble with political jokes is they get elected. *A conclusion is where you got tired of thinking. *Nothing's impossible for those who don't have to do it. *History is a set of lies agreed upon by the Victor. *After four decimal places, nobody cares. *One good turn gets all the blankets. *Almost all loan officers have artificial hearts. *Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long. *War never decides who is right, only who is left. *A job is nice but it interferes with my life. *'Criminal Lawyer' is a redundancy. *Don't worry: the answer's at the back of the book. *A crowded elevator smells different to a midget. *Support the right to arm bears. *We do precision guesswork. *My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. *Don't let school interfere with your education. *'Oh what a tangled web we weave' - Hair Club for Men. *Where there's a will, there's a lawsuit. *A penny saved is a government oversight. *Smash forehead on keyboard to continue... *Shin - Device for finding furniture in the dark. *How does AVON find so many women willing to take orders? *Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. *I'm not cheap, but I am on special this week. *I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. *Mind Like A Steel Trap - Rusty And Illegal In All States. *Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have. *Televangelists: The Pro Wrestlers of religion. *The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes. *When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. *If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. *Many people quit looking for work when they find a job. *When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded. *Laughing stock: cattle with a sense of humor. *Black holes are where God divided by zero. *Make a speech interesting, say: I stand here before you to look behind you to tell you of something I know nothing about. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The difference between men and women 1. A man will pay $2 for a $1 item he wants. A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't want. 2. A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband. A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife. 3. A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man. 4. To be happy with a man you must understand him a lot & love him a little. To be happy with a woman you must love her a lot & not try to understand her at all. 5. Married men live longer than single men - but married men are a lot more willing to die. 6. Any married man should forget his mistakes - there's no use in two people remembering the same thing. 7. Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed. Women somehow deteriorate during the night. 8. A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't. A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change and she does. 9. A woman has the last word in any argument. Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument. 10. There are 2 times when a man doesn't understand a woman - before marriage & after marriage. ----------------------------------------------------------------- DOGGIE PLEDGE I will not eat the cats' food, before or after they eat it. I will not burn rubber through the open car window and into the fast food restaurant, no matter how good it smells. The computer's mouse is, unlike a real mouse, inedible. I will stop trying to find the few remaining pieces of carpet in the house when I am about to throw up. I will not throw up in the car. I will scootch my bottom along the grass to rid myself of hangers-on. I will not steal used sanitary napkins from the bathroom garbage. I will not roll on dead seagulls, fish, crabs, etc. I will not eat other animals' poop. I will not lick my human's face after eating animal poop. I will not roll my head around in other animals' poop. "Kitty box crunchies" are not food. I will not eat any more socks and then re-deposit them in the backyard after processing. The diaper pail is not a cookie jar. I will not eat the disposable diapers, especially the dirty ones. I will not wake Mommy up by sticking my cold, wet nose up her bottom end. I will not chew my human's toothbrush and not tell them. I will not chew crayons or pens, 'specially not the red ones, or my people will think I am hemorrhaging. When in the car, I will not insist on having the window rolled down when it's raining outside. I will not drop soggy tennis balls in the underwear of someone who is sitting on the toilet. We do not have a doorbell. I will not bark each time I hear one on TV. I will not steal my Mom's underwear and dance all over the back yard with it. The sofa is not a face towel. Neither are Mom and Dad's laps. My head does not belong in the refrigerator. I will not bite the officer's hand when he reaches in for Mom's driver's license and car registration. I will not play tug-o'-war with Dad's underwear when he's on the toilet. I do not need to suddenly stand straight up when I'm lying under the coffee table. I will not roll my toys behind the fridge. The garbage collector is NOT stealing our stuff. I must shake the rainwater out of my fur BEFORE entering the house. ----------------------------------------------------------------- A man and his wife are driving their luxury car through a backwoods area on their way from a posh existence in Florida to a similarly posh golfing vacation in California. The few gas stations in the area they're in look pretty seedy, but judging by the fuel gauge on his gas guzzler, the man decides he'd better stop at the next one he comes to, anyway. About 15 minutes later, he spots a station and pulls over to the high-octane pump. "What can I do fer y'all?" asks the attendant. "Fill her up with high-test," replies the driver. While the attendant is pumping the gas, he's looking the car up and down. "What kinda car is this?" he asks, "I never seen one like it." "Ah," responds the driver, his chest swelling up with pride, "this, my boy, is a brand-new Cadillac DeVille." "What all it got in it?" asks the attendant. "Well," says the driver, warming to his subject, "It has everything, actually. It has power steering, power seats, power sunroof, power mirrors, AM/FM radio with a 10-deck CD player in the trunk with 100 watts per channel, an 8-speaker stereo, rack and pinion steering, disk brakes all around, leather interior, a digital instrument package, and, best of all, an 8.8 liter V-12 engine." "Wow," says the attendant, "thatta be something." "How much do I owe you for the gasoline?" asks the driver. "Thatta be $30.17," says the attendant. The driver pulls out his money clip and peels off a $20 and a $10. He then goes into his other pocket and pulls out a handful of change. Mixed up with the change are a few golf tees. "What dem little wooden things?" asks the attendant. "Oh, they're just what I set my balls on when I drive on the golf course." "Wow," says the attendant, "dem Cadillac people think of everything!" ----------------------------------------------------------------- Two Minnesotans were sitting outside a medical clinic. One of them was crying, tear were pouring down his face. The other Minnesotan asked, " Why are you crying?" The first one replied, " I came here for blood test." The second one asked, "So? Why are you crying? Are you afraid?" The first guy replied, "No. Not that. During the blood test they cut my finger." Hearing this, the second one started crying. The first one was astonished and asked the other, "Why are you crying?" Then the second guy replied, "I have come for my urine test." *********************************************** The preceding was a product of the"Military Collector Group Post", an international email magazine dedicated to the preservation of history and the equipment that made it. Unlimited circulation of this material is authorized so long as the proper credits to the original authors, and publisher or this group are included. For more information concerning this group or membership contact Dennis Starks at, . A list of selected articles of interest to members can be seen at: http://www.softcom.net/users/buzz/backmail.html ***********************************************