The bad C1 and C17 caps
were punched into a copy of the board photograph to keep
track of them and then bare wires were soldered on to
allow them to fit in the SR LCR meter or HP LCR
fixture. You can see that the new caps are much
bigger.
The height needs to be short in order to allow for the relay board that's mounted directly above this board (see the Hints and Tips web page). The replacement parts were installed laying on their sides out of general principles. But it turned out it was required for vertical clearnace. The volume of an electrylytic capacitor depends on both the capacitance and on the working voltage and since the new part has a lower working voltage there's a huge difference in volume. |
There are three general types of super capacitors (Wiki: Capacitor). They are also known as Double Layer Capacitors (Wiki)
Memory Hold Up Super Caps
These typically have an internal resistance that's 10 or more Ohms. Because of the high internal resistance they're good for very low current applications, but can not be used for powering motors or other high energy applications.
See 24 and 25 below.
Commercial/Industrial Super Caps
20 Farad 2.7 Volt Kamcap
Miller Solar Engine 0.35 F, 2.7V
These are typically single units and so have a breakdown voltage under three volts.
Measuring (see below) a 20 Farad 2.7 Volt capacitor by setting the HP E3617A bench top power supply for 2.5 Volts (below the 2.7 V max) and with the clip leads shorted setting the current to 0.5 Amps.
Connecting the second clip lead when the clock is at the top of a minute (23:32:00) and watching the voltage on the power supply climb.
It gets to 2.0 volts at 23:33:25, i.e. after 85 seconds.
So the total Coulombs moved is I (Amp)* t (sec)= 0.5A * 85 seconds = 42.5 CoulC = Q / V = 42.5 Coul / 2 Volts = 21.25 Farads
Automotive Audio Super Caps
These start at about 1 Farad and are rated for "12 Volt" automotive electrical systems and so can be charged.
It's probably also a good idea for automotive users to remove the voltmeter so that the battery will hold it's charge for a longer time. With the voltmeter connected the cap drains very quickly, but without the meter the battery takes a few days to discharge to 9 Volts. If the cap discharges too far it may blow a fuse in an automotive application.
The built-in voltmeter shows Lo from about 5 volts to 8.34 Volts then shows the voltage up to 15.9 Volts, and above that shows Hi.
The meter draws 17 ma at 16 volts, which is a large part of 100 ma, which I'm using to measure the capacitance, so for measuring the capacitance it's best to remove the meter.
1 Farad Cap
with Voltmeter removed
Measuring the Capacity of a Super Capacitor
The method is known as Coulomb (Wiki) counting and is commonly used to measure battery State Of Charge (Wiki: SOC Coulomb counting).
For example for the 1 Farad Truconnex super capacitor above I started with the terminals shorted for a little while so the voltage was zero.
Then setup an HP/Agilent E3617A bench top power supply for 16.0 Volts open circuit and with the leads shorted together set the current to 100 mA.
At the top of a minute I connected the power supply to the super capacitor and watched the voltage meter on the supply climb up to 14 Volts and noted the time again (it was right at 2 minutes.
The number of coulombs delivered to the capacitor is 0.1 Amps * 120 Seconds = 12 coulombs
Note: The reason for using a current source rather than a common power supply that's close to a constant voltage source is that if a voltage source is used the current will be constantly changing to reflect the voltage difference between the fixed power supply voltage and the increasing capacitor voltage. That makes it very hard to count the charge transfer (coulombs).
C = Q / V = 12 coul / 14 V = 0.857 Farad
Plotting in Excell the time vs. voltage and fitting a straight line that goes through 0, 0 gives the following slope & quality of fit:
Volts on the Y axis and Seconds on the X axis.
C = dQ / dV
dQ is the change in one second and since the current is 0.1 Amp that's 0.1 coulomb.
dV is the slope of the line and that's 0.0776 so:
C = 0.1 / 0.0776 = 1.288 Farads
This may be a little more accurate than basing the capacitance on a single measurement, like above.
There is a little curvature in the actual data compared to the straight line, not sure why.
Next try this with a different current to see if it results in a similar answer.
# |
Photo | Mouser p/n | Type | Cap | Voltage | $ | ESR Micro | Fluke 87 |
EVB |
SR715 | HP4328 |
||
ESR | Cap uf |
Cap uf |
ESR |
R | C uf |
ESR |
|||||||
1 |
647-UVR1C101MDD1TD | Al Electrolytic |
100 uf | 116 |
102 |
92.65 |
|||||||
16 | 0.03 | 1.2 |
1.0 |
1.85 |
1.45 |
||||||||
2 |
647-UVZ0J153MHD | Al Electrolytic |
15,000 uf | 14750 | OL |
13670 | |||||||
6.3 | 1.40 | 0.06 |
0.06 |
.036 |
0.043 |
||||||||
3 |
647-UHM0J272MPD | Al Electrolytic |
2,700 uf | 2750 |
2944 |
2594 | |||||||
6.3 | 0.34 | 0.06 |
0.07 |
0.018 |
0.025 |
||||||||
4 |
647-UVR1H220MDD1TA | Al Electrolytic |
22 uf | 23.5 |
20.7 |
19.8 | |||||||
50 | 0.02 | 1.5 |
1.1 |
4.3 |
2.4 |
||||||||
5 |
647-UHD1A471MPD1TD | Al Electrolytic |
470 uf | 495 |
490 |
490 |
|||||||
10 | 0.08 | 0.09 |
0 |
0.14 |
0.096 |
||||||||
6 |
661-PSA10VB100M | Al Organic Polymer | 100 uf | 105 |
106 |
103 |
|||||||
10 | 0.72 | 0.06 |
0 |
0.34 |
0.078 |
||||||||
7 |
75-94SA226X0020CBP | Al Organic Polymer | 22 uf | 28.3 |
24.9 |
24 | |||||||
20 | 1.55 | 0.3 |
0.06 | 1.0 | 0.263 |
||||||||
8 |
647-PLF0J471MC06 | Al Organic Polymer | 470 uf | 496 |
492 |
480 | |||||||
6.3 | 1.15 | 0.2 |
0 |
0.02 |
0.0160 |
||||||||
9 |
598-CD15ED270J03F | Mica | 27 pf | 0 |
Note1 |
27.8pf | |||||||
500 | 0.75 | ---- |
19.5 |
OL |
93k |
OL |
|||||||
10 |
810-FK26Y5V1A226Z | Multi Layer Ceramic | 22 uf | 15 |
14.7 | ||||||||
10 | 0.34 | 0.22 |
0.01 | 4 | Note 3 |
0.08 |
|||||||
11 |
810-FK22X7R1C226M | Multi Layer Ceramic | 22 uf | 25 |
23.3 |
24.6 | |||||||
16 | 1.06 | 0.13 |
0.01 |
2.3 |
0.248 |
||||||||
12 |
581-NOJC107M006RWJ | Niobium Oxide | 100 uf | 106.8 |
95.0 |
||||||||
6 | 0.67 | 0.16 |
0.24 |
Note2 | Note2 | Note2 | |||||||
13 |
581-NOJB226M006 | Niobium Oxide | 22 uf | 32.1 |
27.1 |
Note2 | Note2 | ||||||
6 | 0.42 | 0.46 |
0.46 |
Note2 | |||||||||
14 |
581-NOJE477M004 | Niobium Oxide | 470 uf | 441 |
452 |
||||||||
4 | 4.30 | 0.08 |
0.01 |
Note2 | Note2 | Note2 | |||||||
15 |
140-PF2A472F | Polyester Film | 0.0047 | 0 |
5mf |
4.78mf | |||||||
100 | 0.51 | ---- |
OL |
368 |
OL |
||||||||
16 |
80-MMK37.5226K250R06 | Polyester Film | 22 uf | 25.4 |
22.0 |
21.9 | |||||||
250 | 5.98 | 0.39 |
0.24 |
0.14 |
0.1 |
||||||||
17 |
80-T520B107M4ATE35 | Polymer Tantalum | 100 uf | 111.8 |
96.5 |
Note2 | Note2 | ||||||
4
ESD
|
0.94 | 0.07 |
0.06 |
Note2 | |||||||||
18 |
80-T520A226M6ATE100 | Polymer Tantalum | 22 uf | 25.4 | 22.6 |
Note2 | Note2 | ||||||
6.3
ESD
|
0.72 | 0.14 |
0.13 |
Note2 | |||||||||
19 |
80-T520D477M004 | Polymer Tantalum | 470 uf | 441 |
439 |
Note2 | Note2 | ||||||
4 ESD |
1.31 | 0.05 |
0.08 |
Note2 | |||||||||
20 |
871-B32676E3226K | Polypropylene | 22 uf | 25.6 |
22.23 |
22.12 | |||||||
300 | 10.85 | 0.12 |
0.03 |
-0.004 |
0.14 |
||||||||
21 |
505-FKP233/1000/5 | Polypropylene | 33 pf | 0 |
Note1 | Note2 | Note2 | ||||||
1000 | 0.49 | ---- |
OL |
OL |
|||||||||
22 |
581-TAP226K016CRW | Solid Tantalum | 22 uf | 26.1 |
22.6 |
22.1 | |||||||
16 | 0.53 | 0.48 |
0.43 |
1.4 |
0.76 |
||||||||
23 |
71-597D477X0004V2T | Solid Tantalum | 470 uf | 495 |
486 |
Note2 | Note2 | ||||||
4 ESD |
1.45 | 0.05 |
0.15 |
Note2 | |||||||||
24 |
598-EDLSG105V5R5C | Supercapacitor | 1 f | OL |
Note2 | Note2 | |||||||
5.5 | 2.94 | 6.5 |
7.5 |
7.2 |
|||||||||
25 |
|
581-BZ015B603ZLB | Supercapacitor | 60 mf | R ONLY |
OL |
Note2 | Note2 | |||||
5.5 | 14.42 | 0.12 |
0.29 |
0.097 |
|||||||||
26 |
FRS
CGC-10 |
Computer
Grade |
90,000 |
R ONLY | OL |
98030 |
|||||||
10 |
1.75 |
0.03 |
0.02 |
. |
-0.0025 |
0.0165 |
|||||||
27 |
FRS
MC-3.3 |
Polypropylene |
3.3 |
3.9 |
3.41 |
3.4108 |
|||||||
400 |
2.00 |
0.51 |
0.52 |
0.050 |
0.78 |
||||||||
28 |
FRS
OMB1MFD |
Orange
Coating |
1.0 |
1.2 |
1.006 |
1.0040 |
|||||||
630 |
1.96 |
2.0 |
1.7 |
2.77 |
4.2 |
||||||||
29 |
647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA | Al
Electrolytic |
4.7 |
4.7 |
|||||||||
25 |
3.3 |
||||||||||||
30 |
Western Electric 21 BG dual 1 MF 21 AP 1 MF 1127513 Paper Condenser, Feb 9 1915 575653 Electrical condenser, Jan 19, 1897 449A-61 1 uF |
Paper <0.2 uA5 0.1 uA5 < 0.2 uA5 |
5.0 4.6 6.5 5.1 |
1.46 1.54 1.33 1.17 |
1.31 & 1.41 1.16 1.055 |
||||||||
No. |
Photo | Mouser p/n | Type |
Cap |
Voltage |
$ |
ESR |
Cap |
Fluke 87 CaP |
EVB ESR |
HP 4328 ESR |
After a quick look at old patents I found this one where the capacity is not a linear function of tuning shaft angle. This is aimed at crystal radios.
A variable condenser used for transmitting must have extremely low series resistance which is not required for crystal radio use.
Looking for design info for rotor plates for linear AM radio dial frequency.
1525778 Variable condenser, Carl A Hellmann, 1925-02-10, -
Fig 1. prior art linear & 180 deg rotation.
Fig 2. 240 deg useful range
Fig 3. 270 deg useful range
Fig 4. useful range of 360 deg * n/(n+1)
Fig 5 & 6. >180 deg range & non linear
Fig 7. rotor smaller angular extent than stator
Fig 8. like Fig 7 but different arrangement
Fig 9. >180 deg range
Fig 10 & 11. Cylindrical layout
Fig 12. movable dielectric w/fixed paltes
Fig 13. axial shift to change range
Fig 14. detail for Fig 13.
Fig 15. electrical detail for Fig 13.
1748345 Rotary variable condenser, Carl A Hellmann, 1930-02-25, - similar.
1609006 Variable condenser, Clarence D Tuska, CD Tuska Co, 1926-11-30, -
bearing alignment
1709959 Variable condenser, John W Simmons, RCA, 1929-04-23, -
rigid, fine adjustment,
2123050 Variable capacitor, Marwin R Johnson, GE, 1938-07-05, -
slotted end plates to allow tweaking capacitance curve.
1525778 Variable condenser, Carl A Hellmann, 1925-02-10, -